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Police Seize Deadly Poison in London
The Orange County Register ^ | Jan 7, 3:40 PM EST | BETH GARDINER Associated Press Writer

Posted on 01/07/2003 1:42:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Police Seize Deadly Poison in London

By BETH GARDINER
Associated Press Writer


Sloan reports that British police have found a suspicious deadly toxin. (Audio)

LONDON (AP) -- Police said Tuesday they found traces of ricin - a deadly poison twice as potent as cobra venom - in a north London apartment and arrested six men of North African origin in connection with the virulent toxin that has been linked to al-Qaida terrorists and Iraq.

London police said material seized at a flat in the Wood Green neighborhood on Sunday had tested positive Tuesday for traces of the toxin, tiny amounts of which can kill an adult. There is no antidote.

Prime Minister Tony Blair, speaking to a meeting of British ambassadors, said the find highlights the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction.

"As the arrests...show, this danger is present and real, and with us now, and its potential is huge," he said.

Ricin (pronounced RICE-in) is derived from the castor bean plant, which is grown around the world. The poison is relatively easy to produce, and Andy Oppenheimer, a chemical and biological weapons expert at Jane's Terrorism and Security Monitor, said its presence in London did not necessarily indicate a connection to any outside group or country.

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Anti-terrorist police said they arrested the six men of north African origin under the Terrorism Act during raids in east and north London and seized "a quantity of material and items of equipment" at the Wood Green apartment.

Police did not identify the men and refused to specify what country or countries they were from, saying only that they were in their late teens, 20s and 30s. They were not immediately charged with a crime.

A woman arrested in the raids was released, authorities said.

Police said the arrests were prompted by "receipt of intelligence" but gave no other details.

"We have previously said that London - and indeed the rest of the U.K. - continues to face a range of terrorist threats from a number of different groups," police anti-terrorist branch chief David Veness and Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr. Pat Troop said in a statement.

Blair's spokesman said he knew of no specific intelligence about how the suspects may have planned to use the ricin.

The Department of Health said doctors around Britain had been informed of the find and warned to look for symptoms of ricin exposure, including fever, stomach pains, diarrhea and vomiting.

Ricin causes diarrhea so severe that victims can die of shock from massive fluid and electrolyte loss.

Oppenheimer, the weapons expert, said injecting ricin was an effective way of targeting individuals as was the case of Bulgarian defector Georgi Markov, killed in London in 1978. Police said ricin was in a pinhead-sized pellet injected into Markov's thigh, but couldn't confirm the widely reported theory that he was jabbed by a rigged umbrella.

Oppenheimer said terrorists could kill large numbers of people with ricin if they put it into aerosol, a job he described as tricky but not impossible. A crowded, enclosed environment like the London subway would probably be the most appealing target, he added.

"It's just one of these horror scenarios which people are very frightened of at the moment," he said. "You only need milligrams to kill somebody."

For decades, Londoners lived with Irish Republican Army bomb attacks, but the specter of biological terrorism is frighteningly new.

In November, the government issued - and then hurriedly withdrew - a statement warning that al-Qaida might be prepared to use a radiological device or poison gas in Britain. The warning was replaced with a more general alert of terrorist threats.

On a tape released in November, a speaker believed to be al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden castigated U.S. allies that have joined the war against terrorism, specifically mentioning Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.

U.S. officials said in August that the Islamic extremist group Ansar al-Islam had tested ricin along with other chemical and biological agents in northern Iraq, territory controlled by Kurds, not Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Ansar is allegedly linked to al-Qaida.

United Nations weapons inspectors who left Iraq in 1998 listed ricin among the poisons they believed Saddam produced. U.S. troops also found traces of the substance at suspected al-Qaida biological weapons sites in Afghanistan.

Amateur American scientists with no links to terror groups have also produced the poison at home.

In Janesville, Wis., Thomas Leahy pleaded guilty to possessing ricin in 1998. The FBI arrested Kenneth Olsen in Spokane, Wash., last summer for allegedly manufacturing it, a charge he denies.



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1 posted on 01/07/2003 1:42:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Give/apply/inject/spray on the perps, to make sure it's really poisonous. If they survive, hang em.
2 posted on 01/07/2003 1:56:47 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"London police said material seized at a flat in the Wood Green neighborhood on Sunday had tested positive "

Man , I used to have a friend who lived in this area of North London . It's in the Muswell Hil section , home of The Kinks and Fairport Convention . I used to spend a lot of time here when visiting London back in the late 70's to mid 80's . Man have things changed in a BAD way ...So sorry to see England sinking into oblivion ...The USA isn't far behind if we continue to allow illegals to infiltrate our country . Bush MUST be help responsible . SOMETHING MUST BE DONE . Where are the protests ?
3 posted on 01/07/2003 2:01:34 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Fo9xnews has this as an alert, 6 arrested!
4 posted on 01/07/2003 2:04:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Great policies, Brits. Invite every raghead on earth into your country, and then throw decent, law-abiding Englishmen in jail for merely owning a firearm.
5 posted on 01/07/2003 2:12:03 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The worse part it is available in the US and is legal unless caught carrying it under suspicious terrorist activity!
6 posted on 01/07/2003 2:17:30 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ricin (pronounced RICE-in) is derived from the castor bean plant, which is grown around the world. The poison is relatively easy to produce, and Andy Oppenheimer, a chemical and biological weapons expert at Jane's Terrorism and Security Monitor, said its presence in London did not necessarily indicate a connection to any outside group or country.

But, of course. Folks accidentally possess biological weapons all the time, without being connected to terrorist groups! And what about the injustice of the authorities searching North Africans before first having searched all whites in the UK!

7 posted on 01/07/2003 2:18:21 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; mrustow; okie01
Interestingly, the apartment was connected to a pharmacy.


General view of a North London apartment above a pharmacy where police found traces of a deadly toxin, January 7, 2003

Wonder if our govt. has checked out pharmacy-related personnel in the Princeton area in the anthrax search. Kinda doubt it.

8 posted on 01/07/2003 2:18:23 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
"Wonder if our govt. has checked out pharmacy-related personnel in the Princeton area in the anthrax search."

Good point! And I kinda doubt it, too.

But, why bother? They've already got Hatfill under close surveillance...

9 posted on 01/07/2003 2:30:33 PM PST by okie01
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There was a dude in Spokane, Wahington busted for making ricin to poison his wife. Don't remember what happened. Anyone?
10 posted on 01/07/2003 2:38:58 PM PST by BullDog108 (Kick their @$$ and take their gas)
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To: Shermy
"Wonder if our govt. has checked out pharmacy-related personnel in the Princeton area in the anthrax search."

Only if those pharmacists are angry, White, right-wing males...

11 posted on 01/07/2003 3:09:37 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Shermy
If the anthrax was not part of an Islamokazi action, my money is still on a Peta or Alf/Elf Jihadist, who worked for a Vet's office for large animals or a Peta or Alf/Elf Jihadist who worked as a biotech in a hospital lab or an outpatient lab.

We are not talking rocket scientist stuff re getting samples of Anthrax and mailing them.
12 posted on 01/07/2003 3:10:06 PM PST by Grampa Dave (PRESIDENT BUSH AND REPUBLICANS WANT TAX RELIEF FOR ALL TAX-PAYING AMERICANS!)
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To: BullDog108; JustPiper; okie01; Shermy; mrustow; Rye; sushiman; holyscroller; oldglory; ...
"There was a dude in Spokane, Wahington busted for making ricin to poison his wife. Don't remember what happened. Anyone?"

No, but I remember a phone call someone made to the Rush Limbaugh show in March of 1998. I have it on tape. I found the email in my archives that I sent out that day:

On 3-9-98 ---- (During the Clintoooon Administration) this is the email I sent out to an email list I'm on:

Did any of you happen to be listening to Rush today when that guy called talking about lethal poisons that are used to assassinate people with? The CIA not only has these poisons but has people working there who specialize in the handling of them.

The man who called mentioned the title of a book he had just bought on the subject which had a forward by the ex-CIA director, Casey. (I think thats his name). The caller also gave the name of the author, but I'd have to re-wind the tape to get all the info.

There are a lot of poisons mentioned in that book but he focused on one in particular; a lethal poison by the name of "RICIN". This poison mimics a massive heart attack in people. It can be used in pill form, pellet form or as a jelly or cream. The only way it would be picked up in an autopsy is to *specifically* look for it.

I'm sure it is just a co-incidence that one of the key witnesses in Ken Starr's investigation of Clinton, Jim McDougal, died of what they called a massive heart attack yesterday. Its perfectly logical. He had a bad heart.

Fantastic timing too! McDougal couldn't have timed his croaking at a more opportune time. Clinton's secretary is to go before the Grand Jury this week with what he has coached her on as the *right* story, Jim Guy Tucker is co-operating with Ken Starr, Monica Lewinsky is right on the verge of going one way or the other, cause she'll probably get indicted, and then there are all those other people out there waiting in the wings to talk when (and if) the time is right.

But when something like this happens....makes one wonder "maybe I could be next". Surely Susan McDougal is quaking in her boots. She may be next.

We all know that this is the way the goon-squad operates. Just selling insurance .... thats all.

NOW ... NONE of the testimony that McDougal gave in his depositions to Starr can be used in court. It could only be considered if impeachment proceedings were initiated.

SLICK, huh. That Arkansas Mob is really good, huh. rrrrrrrrrrrribbbbittttt.
13 posted on 01/07/2003 3:20:37 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Southack; Grampa Dave; okie01
Anthrax, ricin detected in Afghan labs
14 posted on 01/07/2003 3:27:02 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Southack; Grampa Dave; okie01
Kurdish Militants Conducted Tests With Deadly Toxin Ricin
15 posted on 01/07/2003 3:28:25 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Again, how FR was ahead of the pack/herd.
16 posted on 01/07/2003 3:29:31 PM PST by Grampa Dave (TAX CUTS FOR TAXPAYERS!)
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To: Shermy
Good points, Shermy. And I'll bet you're right. The feds don't seem to have done any work on the Princeton area OR on pharmacy personnel. After all, they've got their guy, right?
17 posted on 01/07/2003 3:30:30 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Matchett-PI
Ricin doesn't emulate a heart attack. You die from a lack of fluids as your body flushes out your system in every way feasable.

Nice try, though. You get the tin foil of the day award!

18 posted on 01/07/2003 3:34:57 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Ricin doesn't emulate a heart attack. You die from a lack of fluids as your body flushes out your system in every way feasable.

This is a popular urban legend and factually incorrect.

Ricin is a cytotoxin that inhibits protein synthesis in mammalian cells by (permanently) inactivating the ribosomes, shutting them down. It causes wholesale cell death and tissue/organ failure as a result. The direct cause of death can vary widely and depends on where the ricin is in the body and the method by which you came in contact with it. Because of the very fine-grained nature of its toxic effect, it usually takes anywhere from hours to days before symptoms of poisoning are noticeable, usually requiring a critical mass of cells in a region of your body to die before you notice since cell death is a normally occurring phenomenon in the body. Of course, if you notice any symptoms at all, you are usually toast. This has made it a popular assassins weapon, since a lethal poisoning may take a day or more to manifest symptoms.

Among the reasons ricin is interesting is that it is not very specific to any particular kind of cell and will happily deactivate eukaryotic ribosomes most places it finds them. Most cytotoxins show a great deal more specificity.

19 posted on 01/07/2003 4:11:37 PM PST by tortoise
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Earlier thread with some great Links here:

LETHAL TOXIN DISCOVERED (UK)

This is a link to a PDF document:

RICIN and its potential as a biowarfare agent

20 posted on 01/07/2003 4:53:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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