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Michael Moore claims 9-11 passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white...
Independent of London, UK ^ | 01/06/2003 | Yasmin Alibhai-Brown

Posted on 01/07/2003 6:26:25 AM PST by SES1066

I took my son to see Michael Moore live at the Roundhouse, in north London, before Christmas. The US radical and author of the best-selling book Stupid White Men was (mostly) clever, funny, angry, sharp, iconoclastic and sceptical about the lies and humbug processed by the US government and big business. Sure there were some flunked bits – you expect that, the troughs are part of the adventure, an evening with a well-worn rebel.

What we did not expect was to feel so enraged at one point that we almost walked out. It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody. God save us from such stupid white men, especially now, when in the US and the UK, black people's lives are being ripped to shreds by drugs, lawlessness, fear and frightful violence plus the endless circle of racism, exclusion and incarceration. This is not awesome, Mr Moore; it is a calamity, for descendants of slaves unimaginably more so.

(Excerpt) Read more at independent.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 0911; cappydick; flight93; independent; letsroll; michaelmoore; michaelmore; stupidwhiteman; theroundhouse; toddbeamer; yasminalibhaibrown
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Once again Michael Moore demonstrates that his book "Stupid White Man" is really self descriptive!
1 posted on 01/07/2003 6:26:25 AM PST by SES1066
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To: SES1066
Can someone post the full story? The Independent's website won't display (probably too many of us FReepers!) Oh, and BTW, Moore is a butthead.
2 posted on 01/07/2003 6:28:25 AM PST by egarvue
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Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody.

When did Michael Moore come up with this gem? If he wants to see an example of "Stupid White Men," he need look no further than his mirror.

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3 posted on 01/07/2003 6:28:55 AM PST by mhking
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To: SES1066
That fat stupid coward thinks that everyone with his skin color is just like him.
4 posted on 01/07/2003 6:31:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: SES1066
Michael Moore, call your physician and check your meds. These pronouncements are not the product of a sober and rational mind.

At least get something to stop the drooling.
5 posted on 01/07/2003 6:31:10 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: egarvue
Can someone post the full story?

The rest of the story deals mainly with the problem of Black-on-black violence in England, so the important piece about our very own home-grown idiot is in the 1st 2 paragraphs. If you feel the need, re-post and I'll put it on.

6 posted on 01/07/2003 6:31:50 AM PST by SES1066
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To: egarvue; Admin Moderator
Can someone post the full story?

Ask and ye shall receive....

AM: Any way possible to put this in the lead of the story, as it doesn't violate the WP/LAT restriction?

Black-on-black violence: there is a way forward

Who would have thought that the fiery Diane Abbott, a lifelong fighter of racism, would today be calling for tougher legislation?

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown

06 January 2003

I took my son to see Michael Moore live at the Roundhouse, in north London, before Christmas. The US radical and author of the best-selling book Stupid White Men was (mostly) clever, funny, angry, sharp, iconoclastic and sceptical about the lies and humbug processed by the US government and big business. Sure there were some flunked bits – you expect that, the troughs are part of the adventure, an evening with a well-worn rebel.

What we did not expect was to feel so enraged at one point that we almost walked out. It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody. God save us from such stupid white men, especially now, when in the US and the UK, black people's lives are being ripped to shreds by drugs, lawlessness, fear and frightful violence plus the endless circle of racism, exclusion and incarceration. This is not awesome, Mr Moore; it is a calamity, for descendants of slaves unimaginably more so.

Remember this as we mourn the murders of two young Caribbean women, victims, it is believed, of tough black men who control some streets of Birmingham and London and Manchester and who kill because they feel like it and they can. "Young, Gifted and Dead," Metropolitan Police anti-gun crime posters in 2001. They showed real pictures of young men in pools of blood. Nobody took any notice.

The maiming and killing goes on and on. Blood is freely spilled in clubs, schools, streets, shops, the privacy of a balcony and a small garden. Orchestrated feuds between gangs became more thrilling as guns took over from knives and knuckles. Michael Cabey was shot as he sat on a wall; Wayne Henry and Corey White were felled as they sat in their BMW; Godfrey Scott was shot in the neck and his flatmate Ray Samuels was found skinned and his tongue sliced off; the brother of the soul singer Mica Paris was shot dead in Croydon. In parts of London,14-year-old boys carry weapons and show them off. A black youth worker too frightened to be named tells me: "These kids are vicious. They think bullying and beating each other up is what sissies do. They talk about killing. They are kings when they kill. One even brought me a cat he had shot to show the others they are in command. They love it that everyone is afraid of them, even their own parents."

What lovely names they had, Latisha Shakespear (17) and Charlene Ellis (18), blasted away as 30 bullets were fired early on New Year's Day as they stepped out from the stuffiness of a party to get some fresh air. A picture of them taken just before the party shows them in hats and identical fluffy white jackets. A former black gang member – Scorcher, if you please – says he is sure that these victims weren't "gangsta bitches but that they were well connected and there will be reprisals for this". How reassuring on both counts. So it is OK to waste "gangsta bitches" and those who may be members of the gang who did this?

There is something distasteful, obscene even in the coverage that has followed the killings. Male journalists in mainstream papers, like Moore above, write over-excitedly about the guns, giving us pictures and prices, plus interviews with cool gang members, carrying on as if this is some Tarantino movie that has hit town. Meanwhile, decent black men and women in particular – mothers, sisters, lovers and daughters – weep and grieve as black-on-black killings rise in our inner cities, just as they have in the US.

Yes, we have massively more guns and armed crime in our society, and all races are involved. But British Caribbeans are disproportionately affected by the problem, and their numbers are small – only about 550,000. Their lives are vulnerable, for a whole raft of reasons.

Blunkett and Blair are, at last, turning their attention to this problem, too long ignored or hidden by white and black leaders. A summit is to be called in Birmingham, and there is to be a change in the law to introduce a minimum five-year sentence for anyone found with a firearm. Who would have thought that the fiery Diane Abbott, lifelong fighter of racism, would today be calling for this tougher legislation? But then she is a black woman and MP for Hackney, where she has watched the horror of spiralling black-on-black violence.

But the law alone cannot do the job. I think Abbott should head a task force to challenge the culture of confrontation, ignorance, violence, drugs, sexism and heartlessness that has corrupted young black males with their false emblems of pride and extracted respect. She is trusted more than many of the black middle-class suits who will be called upon to take charge of any initiatives.

We need the Government to nail the producers of vicious filth. Violent songs and videos sustain these men in their life choices. They feel good that they are lauded as desensitised robo-killers. And please, I simply don't accept all that liberal wash about the neutrality of art, popular culture, television and music. In December, a pitiless black gang of young men were convicted for violent car jackings. They had modelled themselves on old American gangsters, even dressing like them. The hardest gangs love So Solid Crew and the duo Oxide and Neutrino, who, of course, deny they have any real influence with such songs as "Bound for D Reload (A&E)". Neutrino has himself been shot outside a club, and three members of So Solid have been charged with carrying loaded guns. It is scandalous that the music industry and others walk away without any conscience about the harm they do or the good they could do.

Many other interconnected issues need to be examined. Afro-Caribbean men are over-represented in the mental health services, according to a new report by the Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health. There is a crisis here, and the treatment offered is inferior to that received by white patients. School exclusions and behavioural problems, too, need to be part of the analyses. Policing has gone through dramatic changes since the Lawrence report (although too many racist officers remain in place) but what can be done about the refrain that there is no trust between the police and black and Asian people? Home Office research (Paper 129, 2000) shows that now there is support for stop-and-search among all ethnic groups, as long as the police treat suspects fairly, with dignity and without racism. There will be more black men stopped in some areas where gun crime is high. To decry this as evidence only of prejudice is now unacceptable.

There is another name I would suggest to Blunkett for his summit – Jock Young, the criminologist whose book The Exclusive Society is the most compelling and convincing analysis I have seen on some of what we are witnessing. He can see the connections between Thatcherism, racism and the self-perpetuating cycles in which images and expectations of young black men have been ingested by some of them and activated to become our worst collective nightmares.

While nice liberals and career anti-racists luxuriate in denial, a community implodes.

y.alibhai-brown@independent.co.uk

7 posted on 01/07/2003 6:31:57 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking; SES1066; aculeus; general_re
Mr. Moore, it's fairly safe to say, has issues.
8 posted on 01/07/2003 6:32:29 AM PST by dighton
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To: alloysteel
At least get something to stop the drooling.

I'll donate some old gym socks.

9 posted on 01/07/2003 6:33:17 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: SES1066
Typical liberal. A classless bum who dishonors the memory of the dead, including children and their parents. Moore conveniently ignores the likes of Todd Beamer and the other heroes of UAL Flight 93 who stopped the terrorists in that instance. Of course, maybe that's why Moore is dissing them, because they stopped those barbarians from killing more Americans.
10 posted on 01/07/2003 6:36:00 AM PST by chimera
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To: dighton
Mr. Moore, it's fairly safe to say, has issues.

You mean aside from the relatively hard vacume between the ears?

11 posted on 01/07/2003 6:36:24 AM PST by SES1066
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To: SES1066
Moore has climbed to the top of a heap. Won't he be surprised to see it is a manure pile (of his own making)?
12 posted on 01/07/2003 6:36:30 AM PST by syriacus
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This just made me laugh. My husband (who is white) stands 6'4 and who would be perfectly cast as the scary biker type could never be labeled as a "scaredy-cat".To base bravery on skin color in the first place is moronic.

I think Mr. Moore was probably forgetting the brave passengers of flight #93 when he made that rediculous statement.
13 posted on 01/07/2003 6:37:15 AM PST by Cynderbean
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To: SES1066
The problem? No one walked out. If they did, Moore would not use the same line again. Same with life in general. The reason things are as they are, too many sit and cater to those "on stage" instead of having the balls to stand, and walk out.

Pity, but that's the new way.

SR

14 posted on 01/07/2003 6:37:30 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: chimera
Well, the terrorists WERE heading for symbols of American Imperialism.
15 posted on 01/07/2003 6:38:13 AM PST by Guillermo
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To: SES1066
Another example of how liberals get a pass on racism. If a Republican or Rush had been stupid enough to say this, they would be fried.

Excuse me, Mr. Moore, are you aware that Todd Beamer was a white evangelical Christian?

16 posted on 01/07/2003 6:39:03 AM PST by I still care
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Satirist Moore Storms Out of Britain
Internet Movie Database ^ | January 7, 2003

Posted on 01/07/2003 0:52 AM EST by Paul Atreides

American satirist Michael Moore has stormed out of Britain after a bust up with the London theatre hosting his one-man show. The Bowling For Columbine moviemaker performed Michael Moore - Live! to packed audiences for two months before Christmas at The Roundhouse in Camden, North London. But on the penultimate night he reportedly flew into a rage, verbally attacked everyone associated with the theatre because he thought he wasn't being paid enough. During the performance he complained he was making just $750 a night. A member of the stage crew says, "He completely lost the plot. He stormed around all day screaming at everyone, even the £5-an-hour bar staff, telling them how we were all conmen and useless. Then he went on stage and did it in public." Staff retaliated by refusing to work the following night, which led to the show being held up for an hour. Eventually he made a groveling apology to staff and the angry audience finally took to their seats. A source reports that Moore then packed his bags and flew to New York the next day without saying thank you or goodbye to anyone.

17 posted on 01/07/2003 6:39:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: mhking
I won't hold my breath to wait for the liberal media and NAACP types call for Moore to apologize...
18 posted on 01/07/2003 6:39:41 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: SES1066
The first person to die in the 9/11 attacks was likely an Israeli who was on one of the planes. He got up to confront the hijackers, and he was cut to death. I guess it all depends on whether you consider Jews to be "white."
19 posted on 01/07/2003 6:39:49 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Michael More, Stupid Fat B*st*rd

20 posted on 01/07/2003 6:41:35 AM PST by Charles Henrickson
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