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Closer to the edge (Cal Thomas)
Washington Times ^ | 1/05/03 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 01/05/2003 12:18:16 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is the 30th anniversary month of the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision, which, along with subsequent rulings, allows abortion on demand at any time and for any reason. Having already decided, with the support of academics, clergy and journalists, that certain categories and stages of life are not entitled to the protection of law, why are so many appalled, outraged and surprised when cloning arrives at the door?


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1 posted on 01/05/2003 12:18:16 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Horribly cynical but alas, accurate. Sad ping.
2 posted on 01/05/2003 12:32:31 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: kattracks
Excellent article!

The mind reels at the contemplation of just exactly what a "souless" person (clone) would be like. Or will clones have souls? I would not think they would.

I truely believe that when God said, "Let us made man in our image...", that He was speaking of the spirit or soul that man would possess, thus setting man apart from other animals. Without a soul, would a clone have a conscious? Would he/she know right from wrong or even understand the concept? Without a soul, what other attributes would be missing or unable to be performed by the brain? And would we even be able to tell there was any differences until it was too late and we had a whole generation of souless people born upon the earth?
3 posted on 01/05/2003 12:42:35 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: Lorianne; kattracks
<< Horribly cynical but alas, accurate. Sad ping. >>

"Cynical?"

Cynicism? Cal Thomas?

Bit tough on poor Cal.

Will you settle for Socratic Irony?

And another sad bump.

<]:^)~~<
4 posted on 01/05/2003 2:08:11 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
My husband and I were talking about that yesterday -- whether or not a clone would have a soul. We decided probably not, but is there a definitive answer?

Carolyn

5 posted on 01/05/2003 4:48:45 AM PST by CDHart
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To: Jim Robinson; Salvation; Blue Collar Christian; TigersEye; SkyPilot; Teacher317; ohioWfan; ...
About Roe v. Wade, cloning, and the slippery slope.
6 posted on 01/05/2003 5:18:07 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: CDHart
My husband and I were talking about that yesterday -- whether or not a clone would have a soul. We decided probably not, but is there a definitive answer?


All they are trying to do, is to create an individual who has the EXACT same genotype as the 'Mother.'

The clone will NOT look like the 'Mother' (phenotypically) and will NOT have any mental or consciousness connection to the 'Mother.'

In theory, it would just be a regular, unremarkable baby who has the same genotype as the 'Mother.' Some of the discussions I have seen about this sound like they are inspired by a third-rate science fiction flick.

The larger problem, IMHO, is what happens to all the failed attempts. I can't speak to the potential deformities that might be caused by the process they are using, but according to the experiments on animals, I am afraid to think of the 'errors' that will happen along the way.

7 posted on 01/05/2003 5:41:44 AM PST by gratefulwharffratt
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To: .30Carbine; All
A slippery slope indeed. Just look at some of the comments herein - many would discount a clone as a human being. So it is said by most pro-aborts too of the 'fetus'. And so it was said many years ago in this country....that blacks had no soul.....were less than human....
8 posted on 01/05/2003 6:20:32 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Good point. I wonder what the test will be to determine if the do have a soul.
9 posted on 01/05/2003 6:33:53 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Plenty of soulless people out there right now.
10 posted on 01/05/2003 6:38:52 AM PST by tet68
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To: gratefulwharffratt
One genotype, One vote?

Think about it!

11 posted on 01/05/2003 6:41:40 AM PST by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot
One genotype, One vote?


GOOD THINKING!!!!!

If we act now, we can pre-empt Hitlery and her "manufactured electorate."

As soon as they think of that, suddenly the Rats will be 'pro-clone,' ready to create an entire new department to study cloning.

12 posted on 01/05/2003 6:54:55 AM PST by gratefulwharffratt
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To: gratefulwharffratt
I hear the rats want to clone a Rush Limbaugh from the left!

LOL
13 posted on 01/05/2003 6:56:04 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: kattracks
WOW those first two paragraphs of the article, so eloquently stated! He said it all. The unnatural fruit of abortion - cloning - caused when the tree of life was pulled from it's nurturing soil. WELL SAID! Cal Thomas just gets better and better all the time. Excellent article! Thanks for posting.
14 posted on 01/05/2003 7:27:38 AM PST by buffyt
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To: gratefulwharffratt
I suppose they would have two souls just as idential twins have two souls.
15 posted on 01/05/2003 7:30:13 AM PST by buffyt
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To: CDHart
"...whether or not a clone would have a soul. We decided probably not, but is there a definitive answer?"

I guess that remains to be seen. And if we insist on playing "god" then the answer may end up being a real shocker!

16 posted on 01/05/2003 9:27:01 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: kattracks
Cool, armys of clones, drones, and everlasting life.
17 posted on 01/05/2003 9:30:11 AM PST by Porterville
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To: gratefulwharffratt
If we act now, we can pre-empt Hitlery and her "manufactured electorate."

She prefers throwing the doors to the country wide open and promisses of a life of ease, if you will just vote for her. No need for all that cloning jazz.

18 posted on 01/05/2003 9:40:24 AM PST by fightu4it
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To: Brian Allen
I said cynical not to be tough on Cal per se. I said it in response to his shoulder shrugging "oh well its too late now" attitude as if nothing can be done to change attitudes about abortion/cloning and the rest.
19 posted on 01/05/2003 10:21:43 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
<< ..... "oh well its too late now" attitude as if nothing can be done to change attitudes about abortion/cloning and the rest. >>

Something can, thank God -- and we shall see to it that it gets done.

Whaddyah say??
20 posted on 01/05/2003 10:50:21 AM PST by Brian Allen
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