Germany again tightens rules governing (American's) privately-owned firearms

Stars and Stripes ^ | January 2, 2003 | Jon R. Anderson

[Tailback]

Must be a very early Nazi photo. Polizei on left wearing M1935 Stahlhelm while Polizei on right wearing the WWI style M1916 Stahlhelm.

[blackbart.223]

"Germany again tightens rules governing (American's) privately-owned firearms."

Hitler thought gun control was a good idea. Enough said.

[Barnacle]

Germany just keeps pissing us off!

No more Beck's for me folks. I haven't touched it for months.

[pepsionice]

What pushed this entire episode...has been four incidents involving teenagers and weapons. In these cases, the teenagers started taking out numerous people...it wasn't a one-on-one type situation. In each case, the weapon was legally owned and legally maintained in the house by the parent. And in each case, the kid knew the combination to the gun cabinet or broke in. The Greens, along with most of the other big party players decided it was a major issue and started to crack down on private ownership entirely. Almost everyone agreed that violent movies and tv shows was the chief culprit of the episodes. One kid, 19 years old and facing expulsion from school (with no high school diploma, thus unemployable)...was whacked out on violent video games and was a heavy metal freak. This is the kid who took out a dozen of the teachers in his school before he terminated himself. Irking the gunowners is a lot easier than coming down hard on the video game industry.

[Brian Allen]

<< This is pure unadulterated BS...Gestapo actions re-emerging and U.S. soldiers being affected. We should pull completely out of that country and let them go their separate ways...albeit probably back to goose-stepping Nazi's....This Germany is a poor excuse for a country...it's an emberassment to NATO and other countries tyring to get ahead. >>

We are not there for them.

We are there for US!

[Otherwise the gutless gas-chamber-running bastards would be rampaging about murdering the innocent, the harmless, the unarmed, the bound, the gagged, the imobilized and the superior! (IE: Everybody else)]

[PatrioticAmerican]

"state monopoly of violence."

It seems we are having that same problem.

[PatrioticAmerican]

When I lived in England, in the early 80's, it seemed that all a person could own was small caliber rifles and shotguns. Anything else wasn't worth the hassle.

[AnalogReigns]

My husband used to want to travel to Europe - England, Germany, Switzerland, Finland, etc.....as he has never flown across the pond. Over the last few years that desire has been blotted out - because they have become so CRAZY in their politics.

I have several German friends (and a Swiss friend) and by European standards they are all quite conservative in their politics. They all hate the current neo-Marxist government, and fear for Germany's future...since it seems to be going on the "road to serfdom" in socialism again... All the Germans I know are decent, hard-working and thoughtful people, whom I could never picture following a neo-Hitler... Anti-nationalism has been drummed into their heads since childhood...and all hesitate to say they are proud to be German...such a statement is anathama to most Germans.

One shouldn't let the country's dominant politicians tell you whether you should visit that country. Perhaps folks should have done that to us in the '90s under the Clintonites??? Germany is a beautiful place--in spite of its horrible past. The population overwelmingly hates and is ashamed of the Nazis. I think part of the reason its so wacky socialist now, is that the former communists of the East are voting....(for communism-lite, ie socialists). When Schroeder's policies continue to damage the economy eventually they will throw the bums out...and put in more democratic/market oriented/sane politicians.

Still, I'd encourage you to visit. They will be very polite, the beer is great ( :D ) ...and its really a lovely place. We shouldn't hold their (grandparents') past and their politicians present against them.

[AnalogReigns]

[Otherwise the gutless gas-chamber-running bastards would be rampaging about murdering the innocent, the harmless, the unarmed, the bound, the gagged, the imobilized and the superior! (IE: Everybody else)]

That's really uncalled for. Those bastards are almost all dead now--and their grandkids are haunted by guilt--of things they had nothing to do with. It may be a good idea to keep our troups in Germany (the rest of Europe wants it that way, mainly) however insulting the current generation who are overwelmingly as horrified (and more) by the holocaust as you or I am, is just a biggoted rant.

[ZULU]

Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles, ueber alles in die Welt!!

Some things never change.

The rotten French should all be speaking German, and the ungrateful Germans should all be speaking Russian, if it weren't fotrAmerica, America's guns and Americans sons who knew how to use them!!

[ZULU]

"Waffenbesitzkart"

Is that like the Waffen S.S.?

The U.S. should pull ALL our troops out of ANY country that presumes to impose its own peculiar laws on American citizen-soldiers stationed there!!

[blackbart.223]

"The rotten French should all be speaking German, and the ungrateful Germans should all be speaking Russian, if it weren't fotrAmerica, America's guns and Americans sons who knew how to use them!!"

Don't expect the idiots in Europe to understand this however. They only call on us to bail them out when they are in trouble. Screw them I say.

[Looking4Truth]

Un-freakin-real!

Our guns are the reason these people aren't either speaking Russian or living under some evil dictator.

I'm so speechless that 'Un-freakin-real' is the best I can do.

BTW, I used to work for the organization that published that article. When I lived there for a few years I saw the incrementalism at its finest. Socialist fools!

Now my understanding of how the German political parties define political leanings is a little vague, so no one get offended at my choice of terms like 'Socialist', bitte. I'm writing from an American perspective.

[Looking4Truth]

"What pushed this entire episode...has been four incidents involving teenagers and weapons. In these cases, the teenagers started taking out numerous people...it wasn't a one-on-one type situation. In each case, the weapon was legally owned and legally maintained in the house by the parent. And in each case, the kid knew the combination to the gun cabinet or broke in. The Greens, along with most of the other big party players decided it was a major issue and started to crack down on private ownership entirely. Almost everyone agreed that violent movies and tv shows was the chief culprit of the episodes. One kid, 19 years old and facing expulsion from school (with no high school diploma, thus unemployable)...was whacked out on violent video games and was a heavy metal freak. This is the kid who took out a dozen of the teachers in his school before he terminated himself. Irking the gunowners is a lot easier than coming down hard on the video game industry."

I remember these incidents now. I lived close to the 'rock throwing' military dependents who killed some people on the autobahn throwig chunks of concrete of of a pedestrian overpass.

The firearms incidents definitely made me suspicious because it definitely helped the incrementalizm that I mentioned in my last post on this thread.

Un-freakin-real!

[Brian Allen]

Well -- a rant anyway.

[Rule 1003: Do not take the Socraticly ironic too darn seriously -- it might bring on a revealing episode of Psychopathological Projection Syndrome!]

<]:^)~<

[goodnesswins]

Actually, we know you are correct, but since 9-11 his desire for long distance travel has been muted. Did enough travel for work, so that doesn't help either. Content now to just see the good ole USA and look at great pictures of Europe. Maybe someday.

[Michael81Dus]

No, the Waffenbesitzkarte is a card which allows you to posess arms. Waffen = arms.

"Deutschland Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt." - That was texted in 1848 when Germany was divided into 35 states and four independant cities and the neighbours Austria, France and Russia didn´t allow them to unite to a sovereign nation as a whole. So the sentence, that Germany should be above all is the expression of the desire to be a united nation. The author didn´t write "Hesse Hesse über alles, über alles in der Welt" - but Germany. "Alles" stands for all problems to be solved, to unite Germany was the No 1 topic for him and most people.

It´s no expression of arrogance, but often abused by the Nazis. Therefore only the third stanza ("Unity and right and freedom for the German homeland") of that song called "Deutschlandlied" is official national anthem of Germany.

Please don´t indicate that the quoted sentence is meant to be superior anymore.

Thank you for your attention.

Michael

[ZULU]

Sorry, I stand corrected.

And I don't usually apologize. But you really should do something about the socialists over there.

[Michael81Dus]

Yeah, we should do - and we were narrowly to win elections. But thanks to Iraq discussion (great work Mr. Chancellor!!) and the floodings, the Reds won again...

You don´t have to apologize. From where should you know what Waffenbesitzkarte is or what the meaning of the Deutschlandlied is?

"It´s no fault to make a fault. But it´s a big fault to make the same fault a second time." I don´t know who said it, but I suppose it´s true.

Have a nice Sunday,

Michael