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Evolution: What the Pope Said
The Nazareth Site ^ | jan 3, 2003 | James Akin

Posted on 01/03/2003 2:28:53 AM PST by The Raven

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His point was that evolution was now accepted by a wide range of scientific disciplines doing independent research."

I didn't know this!!!

Christianity had a very hard time dismissing that the solar system revolved around the earth.

There are many "stories" in the Bible....which Christians have dismissed as such. Looks like the story 'Adam and Eve' may join the ranks of a "story."

1 posted on 01/03/2003 2:28:53 AM PST by The Raven
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2 posted on 01/03/2003 2:44:32 AM PST by The Raven
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To: RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; LogicWings; Physicist; Doctor Stochastic; BMCDA; ...
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3 posted on 01/03/2003 2:48:57 AM PST by The Raven
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Christianity had a very hard time dismissing that the solar system revolved around the earth.

You need to do some more research. Galileo's theory of heliocentrism as professed in Siderius Nuncius had widespread support within the Church. Galileo was condemned by the universities, which supported geocentrism, for not being able to prove his theory. What got him into trouble with the Church was his arrogance, his failure to live up to the agreement he made with Pope Urban VIII and his inability to prove his claim. Johannes Kepler was teaching and writing about heliocentrism at the same time that Galileo was having his problems. Kepler was able to prove his theory, Galileo wasn't.

4 posted on 01/03/2003 3:11:06 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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>>You need to do some more research

OK....I did some fast surfing and found this

Greek natural philosophy had concluded that the earth was (a) in the middle of the universe and (b) that it was composed of different material than the rest of the universe. Aquinas agreed completely, but for very different reasons. Aquinas concluded that when God made the universe, it was absolutely perfect in every respect. His greatest achievement – man – He placed in the center, like a jewel in a crown – because He was so proud of it. But man screwed up. Because of the Fall (Adam and Eve eating the fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as told in Genesis 2), man sullied or dirtied the earth and everything else he touched. That is why the earth is dirty and heavy now. It used to be perfect like everything else. But everything else – all other celestial bodies – remain pristine, untouched by human hands and therefore still perfect as God made them.

Aquinas therefore successfully merged Greek natural philosophy and Christian theology. The only problem was that both are based on an incorrect premise – they are wrong. And once scientific discoveries began showing that the earth was NOT in the middle, the Church panicked because they had so carefully intertwined their theological doctrine with that cosmological model that it was like a giant JENGA game – if you took that one piece out, the entire construction would come crashing down. Therefore, they made it heresy (a crime against the teachings of the church) to say that the sun was in the middle of the solar system, and not the earth. Eventually, of course, scientific discoveries would prove the earlier theory wrong, but not without casualties.

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5 posted on 01/03/2003 3:19:22 AM PST by The Raven
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Thomas Aquinas 1225-1274

Galileo Galilei 1564-1642

Instead of relying on only one source, broaden your scope and start here.

6 posted on 01/03/2003 3:29:06 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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You picked Galileo's time frame - not me.
7 posted on 01/03/2003 3:32:12 AM PST by The Raven
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An oldie but a goodie ping.
8 posted on 01/03/2003 3:33:38 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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Two useful Galileo links:
Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina of Tuscany, 1615.
The Crime of Galileo: Indictment and Abjuration of 1633.
9 posted on 01/03/2003 3:42:07 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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Microscopes are doing to Darwin what the telescope did to Ptolemy. What exactly did 'evolution' mean to the Pope? Unguided chance mutation. Not Likely!
10 posted on 01/03/2003 6:19:11 AM PST by metacognative
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Microscopes are doing to Darwin what the telescope did to Ptolemy. What exactly did 'evolution' mean to the Pope? Unguided chance mutation. Not Likely!
11 posted on 01/03/2003 6:20:12 AM PST by metacognative
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To: The Raven
read later
12 posted on 01/03/2003 7:39:02 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: The Raven
Thanks for the ping!
13 posted on 01/03/2003 7:40:37 AM PST by Aracelis
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"Microscopes are doing to Darwin what the telescope did to Ptolemy

Microscopes were invented a long time before Darwin. Actually the study of DNA via miscroscopes supports evolution strongly.

14 posted on 01/03/2003 7:49:56 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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Actually the study of DNA via miscroscopes supports evolution strongly.

Only if you believe in things like 'truth', 'facts' and 'logic'. Creation scientists are above such primitive means.
15 posted on 01/03/2003 9:03:12 AM PST by Dimensio
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Christianity had a very hard time dismissing that the solar system revolved around the earth.

You made the generalization, not me.

16 posted on 01/03/2003 9:15:22 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: The Raven
To me, what the Pope says is inconsequential.
17 posted on 01/03/2003 9:17:49 AM PST by stanz
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To: Dimensio
Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon a sandcastle on the beach. The design of the castle is amazingly intricate.

One man immediately comments, "Amazing what time and the ocean can create".

The other man looks at him incredulously and says, "Obviously there are other people somewhere on this island".
18 posted on 01/03/2003 9:36:26 AM PST by bondserv
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Design of a castle can be inferred by comparison to other man-made castles. There is no historical evidence that castles were ever based entirely on a naturally-occuring formation, and even if the men had never seen castles before they could compare its structure to that of other man-made objects and find similarities.

Do you have an example of a known designed structure similar to 'life' or 'the universe' that we can use as a basis of comparison, or are you just hoping that I'm not well-versed enough in logical fallacies to buy into your false analogy?
19 posted on 01/03/2003 9:44:18 AM PST by Dimensio
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*Only if you believe in things like 'truth', 'facts' and 'logic'*

I dunno Dimensio.
There are the "evolutionists" for whom the thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters can write better than Shakespeare. What 'truth', 'facts' and 'logic' is that?
20 posted on 01/03/2003 9:53:14 AM PST by Binti Jua
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