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Dancing Bees Evolved?
Creation Ex Nihilo ^ | Sept-Nov '95 | Robert Doolan

Posted on 12/28/2002 5:27:12 PM PST by adakotab

Dancing bees by Robert Doolan

First published in: Creation Ex Nihilo 17(4):16–19 Sept.–Nov. 1995

Imagine you are a honeybee. You leave your hive one fine spring morning and scout around until you notice a field full of new flowers in bloom. The food back in your hive, which the 15,000 bees in your colony have fed on through the winter, has been getting low. But now, in this field, you have found a new food supply. So you fill your special honey stomach with nectar and fly the 250 metres back to your hive.

The other bees do not yet know where to find the blooms you have discovered. Your brain is only the size of a pinhead, but it is obvious that if you are to fully utilize this new food source you will need help. Before summer arrives, your colony could number more than 80,000 bees. But the little bit of pollen and nectar you would collect in each trip could see your colony starve before each member was fed. So how do you tell the other bees in your hive where to find the blossoms you have discovered?

In the early 1900s, Austrian naturalist Karl von Frisch puzzled over this curious problem. Fascinated with the ways honeybees worked together, von Frisch began a deep study of them. He found that one of the most remarkable characteristics of bees is the way they communicate. In fact, bees have one of the most extraordinary means of communication in the insect world. Von Frisch discovered that bees express themselves not only by feeling and tasting, but also by dancing.

To identify the location of a food source too distant from the hive to be smelled or seen by the other bees, the scout does a dance on the honeycomb inside the hive. Other bees gather around and closely follow the dancer. They imitate her movements (all dancing worker bees are female), and note the fragrance on her of the flowers from which the dancer gathered the nectar.

If the new food source is nearby, say within about 50 metres of the hive, the bee does a circular dance on the surface of the honeycomb. She moves around two or three centimetres (an inch or so), then circles in the opposite direction. This tells the other bees the food is close by. The scent they detect on her alerts them to what the new food smells like. So the other bees leave the hive and fly around in ever–widening circles until they find the new supply of flowers.

Dance for distance If the new source of nectar or pollen is distant, the scout makes an ingenious alteration to her dance. She dances the shape of a 'figure eight', with intermittent movements across the middle of the figure. The distance at which the changeover takes place, from round dance to figure eight, varies among different types of bees. This does not cause them confusion, for the distance is constant within each hive.

Every movement by the scout has meaning for the other bees. They can tell the distance of the food source by the number of times the dancer circles during a given interval, and also by her wiggling abdomen. The greater the distance, the more slowly she wiggles. The direction of the food is revealed by the direction and angle the dancing bee cuts across the circle. If she wiggles across the circle straight up, the watching bees know they will find the food by flying towards the sun. If she cuts the circle straight down, they know they have to fly away from the sun.

If the dancing bee cuts across the circle at an angle, the other bees know they must fly to the right or left of the sun at the same angle the dancer moved to the right or left of an imagined vertical line.

This dazzling display of the honeybee dancers is truly a striking feature of the insect world. When we consider the complicated steps of the dance, and the detailed information conveyed and understood through it by all the world's honeybees (von Frisch took 20 years to decipher it), we are entitled to strongly doubt that this process could ever evolve.

Could the dance evolve? Let's try to imagine the system evolving. A bee discovers a field in bloom. She returns to her hive and no one else knows where she filled her honey stomach. She can't tell them herself, so the hive has to wait until individual bees haphazardly chance upon the same field, or she has to keep going back and forward hoping someone will follow her. Even worse, she may not remember how to get back to the field herself!

Now let's suppose that one day an enterprising bee manages to invent the dance. How would she communicate to the others what it meant? How could she ever explain the geometry involved––that the angle she walks across the diameter of the circle is equal to the angle between the sun and the food source? What if the sun goes down before the other bees understand? How does she explain she has invented one dance for a food supply nearby, and another for a supply a long distance away?

How does she tell them that if she wiggles very slowly it means the field is very distant, and if she wiggles very fast it means the field is not far? How will they know that if the dancer walks up the honeycomb they should fly towards the sun, but if she walks down they must fly in the opposite direction?

Even more important, if this process slowly evolved over a long time, how would all the bee ancestors have survived while this system of communication was evolving? If they survived without this complicated method, why invent a new system that would be almost impossible to explain?

Among the wonders of God's creation, the honeybee provides some startling evidences against evolution, and for design and purpose by the Creator. The precisely coordinated language used for the bee's survival has too many necessary and independent parts for such a system to have evolved. We are forced by logic and common sense to conclude that the whole process was implanted in bees at the time of their creation. Like the bees, it did not and could not evolve.

The dance of the figure eight is also used when bees are selecting a new homesite. If a hive grows too large, the queen may leave with part of the colony to search for a new home. She leaves behind one or more special eggs from which a new queen will hatch. The old queen and her swarm first congregate somewhere, such as on a branch of a tree. Worker bees are then sent to scout around for a suitable new homesite. Any scout who finds a potential site returns to the others and tells them where her favoured site is by doing the 'figure eight' dance on the surface of the cluster of bees.

Other bees inspect each site and return to the colony to tell the others what they 'think' of it. The vigour of their dancing reflects their reactions to the suitability of the site. Finally, after perhaps several days of house-hunting, one of the sites gains overwhelming favour and the swarm moves off to start a new hive there.

One researcher watched this dance contest for four days, noting directions and distances of potential sites. He worked out the site which was rapidly gaining favour, then hurried off to find it. He arrived at the new dwelling-place before even the bees did!

Such complicated communication seems impossible to explain if you believe bees and their language have evolved.


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evolution? don't think so
1 posted on 12/28/2002 5:27:13 PM PST by adakotab
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To: adakotab
They only need one very simple dance that says "Follow Me" and then they fly to the nectar or pollen.
2 posted on 12/28/2002 5:35:06 PM PST by Consort
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To: adakotab
Let's hope not. Who knows what it might lead to:
"Killer Bees"

OR
Nerd Bees

OR EVEN
Lunge lizard Bees

3 posted on 12/28/2002 5:40:29 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Jimer
What do dancing hamsters lead other hamsters to? ;)


4 posted on 12/28/2002 5:41:30 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: adakotab
Ah...I was hanging on to the sudden slam against evolution.

5 posted on 12/28/2002 5:44:13 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: adakotab
Why didn't God just give bees cell phones?
6 posted on 12/28/2002 5:50:12 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: adakotab
Yet another piece of wothless creationist drivel which says "I can't imagine this system evolving so therefore it couldn't happen."

Its just like when they argue how they "couldn't imagine" how an organ as complex as an eye evolves but then never explain that if the eye was designed, why are the photoreceptor nerves are in front of the retina?

7 posted on 12/28/2002 5:56:10 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: adakotab
Such complicated communication seems impossible to explain if you believe bees and their language have evolved.

Creationism has so very much to teach us! "I can't understand it! Goddidit!"

Curious scientific minds at work, there.

8 posted on 12/28/2002 6:00:29 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: adakotab
Hey, even I know "that if she wiggles very slowly, it means the field is distant, and if she wiggles very fast it means the field is not far." Hmmm..."and also by her wiggling abdomen...the greater the distance, the slower she wiggles"..."so you fill your special honey stomach with nectar, and fly the 250 metres back to your hive...your brain is only the size of a pinhead, but it is obvious that if you are to fully utilize this new food source you will need help..."

I'm a BEE ?!!!
9 posted on 12/28/2002 6:08:06 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: PoorMuttly
I'm a BEE ?!!!

LOL
Well.....
BEE all that you can BEE

10 posted on 12/28/2002 6:12:44 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Eternal_Bear
Why didn't God just give bees cell phones?

Because they'd all die of Pinhead Brain Cancer.

11 posted on 12/28/2002 6:16:29 PM PST by Trickyguy
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To: Frohickey
I hear hamsters have more signals than thought possible... But our human minds are still trying to conjure up their specific meanings....


12 posted on 12/28/2002 6:30:22 PM PST by KineticKitty
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To: Jimer
They only need one very simple dance that says "Follow Me" and then they fly to the nectar or pollen.

We're talking honey bees here not Bar Flies...

13 posted on 12/28/2002 6:37:26 PM PST by tubebender
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To: VadeRetro
How did they manage to live for millions of years without being able to "talk" to each other? This is usually the question that evoloutionist have trouble with. If the bee's had to evolve a languge, how did they survive till the language evolved? Why did the whale evolve to a cow, but we still have whales? Are they defective? Why is the alligator eon's old, but never changed? Evolution was invented to explain why Blacks were subhuman. Evolution is racist, peroiod. Read up on Margret Sanger to learn more. Evolution is neccesary for communists to make central government, god. I have books from the '50's, '60's, to today on biology and the only thing they have in common is they change every year. The newest theory that explains everything is disproved in the next edition. If a queen bee dies, the workers can easily be assimilated into the next swarm. They know the language. This language has not had to "evolve" ever. They knew exactly how to find food 10000 years ago, just as today.
14 posted on 12/28/2002 6:59:20 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Yor problem is you start under the assumption that bees existed in their current form since the beginning of time.

Evolution isn't simply trying what works and then adapting to it. It's the propogation of whatever allows the individual to propogate. Which is why humans have a great multitude of birth defects that most other animals don't have because our intelligence allows us to compensate for physical defects.

But anyways. Your first major mistake is to look at the bee dance as a language in terms of English. Bird calls are a language just not as complex. However I doubt you want to say that's impossible to develop.

This whole argument boils down to your lack of imagination. So explain to me the magic spell that allows me to talk to you from across the country. Because I don't see how a message can move at near light speeds.
15 posted on 12/28/2002 8:07:23 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: *crevo_list
bump
16 posted on 12/28/2002 8:37:53 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: rmmcdaniell
evolves but then never explain that if the eye was designed, why are the photoreceptor nerves are in front of the retina?

Sorry about that; that was my idea. I was overclocking the photoreceptors and needed the extra blood flow for cooling.
17 posted on 12/28/2002 8:50:27 PM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Bogey78O
This whole argument boils down to your lack of imagination.

I think your statement is fair. On the other hand, This whole argument boils down to your lack of faith.

Now, which is superior -- an imagination that can make sense of absolutely anything, or a faith that believes there is one cause for all the mysteries? I'm not sure that there is an answer. But scientists are quite sure that faith is bogus, and imagination inevitably correct.

I think scientists jump through a lot of hoops and often find themselves demonstrably wrong. Christian believers, on the other hand, jump through one hoop, one time, and have not yet been demonstrably wrong.

18 posted on 12/28/2002 8:56:31 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: adakotab
It is not that the dancing behavior evolved after bees came into existence; a beehive is a different form of a single organism. The entire hive would come into existence with all of its complexities in the same fashion as man.
19 posted on 12/28/2002 9:18:02 PM PST by One More Time
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To: rmmcdaniell
There is a simple and logical answer at An interview with eye-disease researcher Dr George Marshall, University of Glasgow, Scotland

Please take the time to read this article. Your answer is just a short ways into the article.

20 posted on 12/28/2002 9:21:25 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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