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The Rise Of Tikkun Olam Paganism
Arutz Sheva ^ | 27 December 2002 | Steven Plaut

Posted on 12/28/2002 3:34:22 PM PST by Nix 2

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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Shalom!

Sir Frances Dashwood,

If...you do not Believe In The Almighty Living GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)?...Then why should you believe in or be "fascinated" by hasatan?

Only GOD...EL SHADDAI - The Holy One Of Israel can Save You from Your Sin and hasatan's grip.

hasatan is very, very real...just take a look around you.

Do you see evil in all of it's ugliness?

What and whom do you think...is alive inside of every Islamic or other Terrorist?

I CHOOSE to Believe and Trust in GOD - El SHADDAI - The Living GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).

And I look forward to spending ALL Of ETERNITY with HIM!

Where will you be spending your Eternity?

61 posted on 12/31/2002 3:20:45 PM PST by Simcha7
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
BTTT JTF.org
63 posted on 12/31/2002 9:16:32 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
JEW, FIGHT FAIR!

The Romans in full view of the crowds in the Coliseum were going to feed a Jew to the lions. They dug a hole five feet deep, put in the Jew standing up and buried him to his neck, so that only his head was above ground. They then let out the lion that was starved for two days. The lion with his mouth drooling went straight for the Jew and circled his prey before eating it. When it got close, the Jew bit it. It yelped and ran away. From the stands of the Coliseum, someone screamed, "Jew, Fight Fair!"

That Roman now sits in the State Department and the United Nations and every time Israel offers any half-hearted response to an attack on Jewish civilians, he keeps reiterating, "Israel is using excessive force---Jew, Fight Fair!"

What do they want from us? When Joseph's tomb was ransacked, the yeshiva and synagogue burned to the ground, Jewish holy books desecrated, and Jews barred entry to this holy site, Israel set up a roadblock. Someone from the Coliseum screamed "Jew, Fight Fair!"

When Arabs tried to kill Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall and banned Jews from visiting the Temple Mount, the site of the JEWS' first and second Temples, Israel again set up roadblocks, and someone from the Coliseum again screamed "Jew, Fight Fair!" Jews still can't go to Joseph's Tomb or on the Temple Mount and Israel still resorts to roadblocks and that someone is still screaming "Jew, Fight Fair!"

What do they want from us? When a sniper intentionally targets a baby and kills Shalhevet Pass in cold blood, Israel destroys a few buildings. From the Coliseum, someone screams "Jew, Fight Fair!"

A family driving home from Jerusalem was targeted; the mother and father shot to death and children seriously injured, and Israel "retaliated" by setting up an army lookout at the spot. This lame response only drew a louder "Jew, Fight Fair!!"

Two boys were exploring a canyon on the side of their town when they were beaten, tortured for hours, their faces and heads bashed in so that they were unrecognizable and their bodies mutilated mercilessly. In retaliation, Israel hunted down the leaders that gave the order to commit this atrocity, and the Coliseum is roaring with "Jew, Fight Fair!!"

In contrast, the U.S. sent over a thousand armed law enforcement officers in with heavy equipment and killed, instead of arresting, the Branch Davidians of WACO. Janet Reno admitted it, but called it a mere "show of force." In retaliation for the undisputed excessive force in WACO there was a bombing in Oklahoma. Soon they will be executing the Oklahoma bomber, Timothy McVeigh.

Yet those bombers that exploded buses and marketplaces in Israel's major cities---Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Hadera, Petach Tikvah---go free. While Israel's streets are strewn with scattered body parts, Israel blows up some vacant buildings and sets up yet more roadblocks. The State Department considers that excessive force and George Mitchell and his "Report" screams "Jew, Fight Fair!"

You know what they want from us? They want us to react to the Arab murderers the same way that we did to the Nazis who tortured, mutilated, and killed over six million of us. Do NOTHING! We are too civilized to respond directly to the intentional slaughter of children and we even applaud granting the Nobel Prize to the killer of the Ma'alot children and numerous other women and children.


(Maybe THIS is how they want us to fight fair?)

No, we Jews are civilized and after the Arabs kill the last Jew in Israel we are expected to collect money to make yet another memorial dedicated to the memory of murdered Jews THIS TIME at the hands of fanatic Arabs with genocide on their minds. If we do anything to avert this second Holocaust upon Jews, someone from the Coliseum will scream...
"JEW, FIGHT FAIR!"

http://www.jtf.org


64 posted on 12/31/2002 9:22:11 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Simcha7; Sir Francis Dashwood; 2sheep
Excuse me for the long interlude, but I promised you Scripture, and now
have the chance to sit long enough and type it since I have never
hooked up my scanner...too cluttered on this desk and surrounds...

To reiterate a little, I told you Job was a tome much older than
anything was ever written. It is my belief that it was the rule book or
guide book to the first awakened human minds. These *people* were the
different ones, the ones whose changes in form and thought were too
apparent to continue being accepted. They were indeed the sons and
daughters of the Sons of G-d. These parents passed their DNA on to a
chosen few amongst an already existing population, who, although
socialized into tribes, were not privy to the mind of creation, nor
able to create a separate race from within their ranks, ie; THE MISSING
LINK.
It might help to know that I do have a PhD in Archaeology and Religious
Studies, so none of this stuff is taken lightly by me.

This gift could only be passed on through the female of the species
since men cannot have children. Ergo, the existence of Mitochondrial
DNA which can only be transferred through the mother. This was the
gift.
This was the passing on of an intelligence which did not exist before
The Sons of G-d bestowed it upon us. But they didn't give us this gift
without conditions and a guide for its use.

Years ago, I challenged my Rabbi about Gen: 6. He told me I could not
possibly be reading from a Hebrew Bible. I had to show him, but he had
no answers. He isn't the only one, because unfortunately, even my
people have forgotten G-d's FIRST LAW handed down through countless
generations before it was ever written.

In Gen: 6, it not only speaks of the Sons of G-d, but most people do
not read it clearly.
To understand Gen: 6, you have to understand that *men* was a reference
to bipeds, not humans. To inderstand how I know this, you must realize
that from studying the Bible all my life along with anything connected
to it, in those days before *human* mind, all things in whatever form,
if they were alike, were considered a *people*, even ants.

Though Gen: 6 was written long after Job, it still contains the
original sense that we are the procreations of The SONS of G-d, handed
down by traditional word of mouth until finally written to the best of
their understanding.
Gen 6: 1-4
1. And it came to pass, when men, (NOT HUMANS,) began to multiply on
the face of the earth, and DAUGHTERS were born unto them,
2. that the SONS OF G-D, saw the DAUGHTERS of men, *that they were
fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they CHOSE.

*Note: they took no note whether the females were fair, only that they
would nurture their offspring and allow them to grow and continue to
procreate with this new, added factor, and they did not KEEP them as
wives.
End note.

3. And the Lord said: 'My *spirit, shall NOT abide with man forever,
for that he ALSO is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and
twenty years.'

*Note: meaning that the body containing this spirit could not withstand
the part that was ALSO flesh and would wear out. It NEVER said the
SPIRIT would die, only the shell that carried it.
End note.

4. The *Nephilim were in the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTER THAT,
when the Sons of G-d came in unto the DAUGHTERS of men , and they bore
children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the
men of renown.

*Note: The Nephilim were an entirely different species. Dinosaurs. This
means that dinosaurs were indeed there at the dawn of humanity, and NOT
that they were mighty men of old. Remember that this was written many
generations after the Exodus and that humanity is far older than
science has ever given us credit for. Partly because of Scriptures they
still don't understand, and partly because *experts* once concluded
that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted on earth at any time. That
has since been proven wrong, to their chagrin. Unfortunately, dogma
has, in many cases, replaced the truth with suppositions and outright
lies to suit the contention that humans are as they have always been,
and that is true. What they don't, won't tell you is WHY.
Yet even the most ancient human knew that their intelligence was
dependent on women, though DNA was an unknown quantity then.
Instinctively, they knew, and so bloodlines have always been followed
through who the mother was and her line, not through men and their
line. Early humans knew that to continue becoming more intelligent,
they MUST mate with like kind, but diverse gene pool. Which brings us
to Job.

Job is an EXAMPLE of what happened when humanity had finally taken the
different path from the families of *men* they had been bred from.
Following Job from the beginning of his travails to the end, you see
that he had lost all resemblance to those around him and was utterly,
completely, and totally different...so different that his tribe
abandoned him to his own devices, literally expecting him to die. This
is about Job, but Job is a metaphor for all of those who found
themselves having passed through a divergent evolution. Henceforth
JOB=HUMANITY.
You MUST eliminate the flowery prose surrounding Job's story in this
book. It didn't exist. It was added long after the fact.
Here are the relevent facts.
From Job; Chapter 1 to 5, in the Hebrew Bible, there is reference to
the SONS of G-d having a meeting. There is also reference to Satan, the
Adversary, who was not an adversary as we would think of it. He was the
watcher who remained here to ultimately test the offspring of the SONS
of G-d, to guage how well suited they were to continue on their own in
spite of their differences with all other living things. He was chosen
to show humans the differences between themselves and test them as to
their intelligence, their will, their ingenuity, and ultimately to
discern if they were ready to be taught HOW to learn the Laws of the
Universe.
(Job 1: verse 6-Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of G-d came to
present themselves before the Lord, and *Satan came also among them.
*That is, THE ADVERSARY.
7. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan
answered the Lord, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and
from walking up and down in it.'
8. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered My servant,
Job.....')

Stop there and realize that this was the Biblical translation of
separating humanity, (JOB,) from its relative safety from within
already established tribal arrangements, the beginning of the human
age.
The Scriptures go on to define absolutely just how much humanity had
changed visa-vi the *men* from which they came, and encompassed the
entire evolutionary cycle from the day the Sons of G-d impregnated the
women of men unto the day they were able to adapt the world to their
wants and needs as opposed to those who needed to adapt to the world as
it was using only instinct, not human intelligence.
It reveals a lengthy transition which was not completely understood at
the time it was happening. There was immense confusion in the ranks of
the *different* ones that lasted many generations. They thought they
were accursed. They were driven from their safe havens. They became
subject to diseases and bodily changes completely different than
anything *man* had ever known. They lost most of their body hair and
felt cold for the first time, needing to create for themselves warmth
and clothing and an entirely new way of thinking, which led to human
speech, and astounding new technologies for their age. There DID come a
time, at long last, that they realized their superiority, but as I
explained, the G-d within, if not used, atrophies, and what is left is
a consciousness without conscience. The soul, the gift, has withered
and become useless.
*Job, Chapter 1, verse 12: "And when they lifted up their eyes afar
off, and KNEW HIM NOT, they lifted up their voice and wept....."

*Note: When animals grieve, and they do, they wail and howl.

Verse 13: So they sat down on the ground with him seven days and seven
nights; and none spoke a word unto him, for they saw that his grief was
very great.
Chapter 3: After this opened Job his mouth and cursed his day. *And Job
spoke and said:
Let the day perish when I was born,
And the night wherein it was said: 'A man-child is brought forth.'
Let that day be darkness.
V, 23 To a man whose way is hid,
And whom G-d has hedged in?
24. For my sighing cometh instead of my food,
And my roarings are poured out like water.
25. For the thing which I did fear is come upon me,
And that which I was afraid of hath overtaken me.
26. I was not at ease, neither was I quiet, neither had I rest;
But trouble came.

* Note: THIS is the beginning of the Great Confusion, the lack of
understanding. THIS was ALL of humanity's confusion. They had not yet
learned why they were so different and no longer fit with those once
their equals. They had become more, but they did not yet understand.

Job 6.
V-11: What is my strength that I should wait?
And what is mine end, that I should be patient?
12. Is my strength the strength of stones?
Or is my flesh of brass?
13. Is it that I have no help in me,
And that sound wisdom is driven quite from me?

V-15: My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook;
As the channel of brooks that overflow
16. Which are black by the reason of the ice,
And wherein the snow hideth itself;
17. What time they wax warm, they vanish,
When it is hot, they are consumed out of their place.
18. The paths of their way do wind,
They go up into the WASTE, and are lost.
19. The caravans of Tema (those who dwelt in the area, unamed then,)
looked.
The companies of Sheba, (also unamed then,) waited for them---
20. They were ashamed because they had hoped....(instinct, what had
always been before,)
They came thither and were confounded. (And did not know to seek
elsewhere.)
21. For now ye are become His;
Ye see a terror and are afraid
22. Did I say: 'Give unto me'?
Or: 'Offer a present for me of your substance'?
23. Or; 'Redeem me from the adversary's hand'?
Or: 'Redeem me from the hands of the oppressors'?
24. TEACH ME and I will hold my peace;
And cause me to UNDERSTAND wherein I have erred.

Chapter 4, V-12: Am I sea, or a sea monster,
That Thou settest a watch over me?
13. When I say: 'My bed shall comfort me,
My couch shall ease my complaint';
14. * Then thou scarest me with dreams,
And terrifiest me through visions;
(*Note: Dawning of diverse thought.)
15. So that my SOUL chooseth strangling,
And death rather than THESE, MY bones.
16. I loathe it; I shall not live always;
Let me alone; for my days are vanity.
17. What is man, that Thou shouldest MAGNIFY him,
And that Thou shouldest SET THY HEART UPON HIM,
18. And that Thou shouldest remember him every morning,
And try him every moment?
20. If I have sinned, what do I unto Thee, O Thou WATCHER of men?
21. Why hast Thou set me as aMARK for Thee,
So that I am a burden to myself?
Chapters 8 and 9 are allegory, as are the words uttered in other
chapters by the writer's design. It is all allegory, really. But it IS
man's journey.
*Chapter 9, V-30: If I wash myself with snow water,
And make my hands never so clean;
31. Yet wilt Thou plunge me into the ditch,
And mine own clothes shall abhor me?
(*Note. Loss of protective body hair.)

Chapter 10
V-11: Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh,
And knit me together with bones and sinews.

Chapter 12
V-2: No doubt that ye are the people,
And wisdom shall die with you.
3. But I have UNDERSTANDING as well as you;
I am NOT inferior to you.....
20. He removeth the SPEECH of "men" of trust,
And taketh away the SENSE of the elders.
22. He uncovereth deep things out of the darkness,
And bringeth out to LIGHT the shadow of death.
23.He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them;
He enlargeth the nations, and leadeth them away.
24. He taketh away the HEART of the CHIEFS of the PEOPLE of the land,
And causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.
25. They grope in the DARK without LIGHT
And he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.

Chapter 13-1: Lo, mine eyes have seen all this,
Mine ear hath heard and UNDERSTOOD it.
2. What ye know, do I know also;
I am NOT inferior to you.
3. NOTWITHSTANDING I would speak to the Almighty,
And I DESIRE TO REASON WITH G-D

CHAPTER 19, V-13:
He hath put my brethren far from me,
And my aquaintances are wholly estranged from me.
14. My kinsfolk have failed,
And my familiar friends have forgotten me.
15. They that dwell in my house, and my maids, count me for a stranger;
I am become an alien in their sight.
16. I call to my servant, and he giveth me no answer,
though I entreat him WITH MY MOUTH. (speech)
17. My breath is abhorred of my wife,
And I am loathsome to the children of my tribe.
18. Even urchins despise me;
If I arise they speak against me.
19. All my intimate friends abhor me;
And those whom I loved are turned against me.
20. My bone cleaveth to my skin and to my flesh,
And I am escaped with the skin of my teeth.
21. Have pity on me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends;
Fro THE HAND OF G-D HATH TOUCHED ME.
WHY DO YE PERSECUTE ME AS G-D,
AND ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH MY FLESH?

Chapter 20 is yet another ramble from a writer or teller who has added
only his own understanding of what this old Law entails. Primitives
still, not knowing why the tale of JOB is so desperately important.

Chapter 21:
5. Turn unto me and be astonished,
And lay your hand upon your mouth.
6. Even when I REMEMBER I am affrighted,
And horror taketh hold on my flesh.
*7. Wherefore do the wicked live,
Become old, yea, wax mighty in power?
*Note: The *wicked* are those devoid of understanding and/or wisdom and
knowledge.
14. Yet, they said unto G-: 'Depart from us;
For we desire not the KNOWLEDGE of Thy ways.

The rest is somewhat more of the same, but each section is an upward
transition toward becoming human.
By Chapter 38, they made it.
Inl Chapter 38... There, the First Law of Humanity is handed down, in
no uncertain terms. It is by this time that JOB/HUMANITY has realized
their positions, know that their former brethren are beyond
communication in appearance, in thought, speech, fundamental
understanding of mind in any form, consciousness without conscience,
(which you can see as real and reality in today's world.) It tells me
that all people who walk upright are not human. To be human REQUIRES
conscience.

CHAPTER 38 (Not formatted into verses.)
THEN the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: Who is this
that darkeneth councel by words without KNOWLEDGE? Gird up thy loins
like a man for I will demand of thee, and DECLARE thou unto Me.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
DECLARE, if thou hast the understanding.
Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest?
Or who stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened?
Or who laid the cornerstone thereof, when the morning stars sang
together, and all the SONS OF G_D shouted for joy?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it broke forth and issued out
of the womb; when I made the clouds the garment thereof; and thick
darkness a swaddling band for it, and prescribed for it My decree, and
set bars and doors, and said: 'Thus far shalt thee come, but no
further; and here shall thy proud waves be stayed'?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days began, and caused the
dayspring to know its place, that it might take hold of the ends of the
earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it?
It is changed as clay under the seal; and they stand as a garment. But
from the wicked, their light is withholden, and the high arm is
broken.
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? Or hast thou walked in
the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been revealed unto
thee? Or hast thou see the gates of the shadow of death? Hast thou
surveyed unto the breadths of the earth?
DECLARE, IF THOU KNOWEST ALL.
Where is the way to the dwelling of the light, and as for darkness,
where is the place thereof; that thou shouldest take it to the bound
thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
THOU KNOWEST IT, FOR THOU WAST THEN BORN, AND THE NUMBER OF THY DAYS
IS GREAT!
Hast thou entered into the treasuries of the snow, or hast thou seen
the treasuries of the hail; which I have reserved against the time of
trouble, against the day of battle and war?
By what way is the light parted,
or the east wind scattered upon the earth?
Who hath cleft a channel for the waterflood, or a way for the lightning
of the thunder; to cause it to rain on a land where no man is, on the
wilderness, wherein there is no man; to satisfy the desolate and waste
ground, and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Hath the rain a father?
Or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
Out of whose womb came the ice?
And the hoar-frost of heaven who hath engendered it?
The waters are congealed like stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
None of this belongs here--->>
--->Canst thou bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the bands of
Orion?
**(Bear in mind this was written centuries after the original
admonition and contains names that would not have existed in its
original form.)**
Canst thou lead forth the Mazzaroth, (a reference to the Zodiac,) in
their season?
Or canst thou guide the Bear with her sons?<---

KNOWEST THOU THE ORDINANCES OF THE HEAVENS?
CANST THOU ESTABLISH DOMINION THEREOF IN THE EARTH?
CANST THOU LIFT UP THY VOICE TO THE CLOUDS THAT ABUNDANCE OF WATERS MAY
COVER THEE? (Do you know how to call forth the rain? Science not yet
perfected. )
CANST THOU SENT FORTH LIGHTNINGS AND THEY MAY GO, AND SAY UNTO THEE,
'HERE WE ARE'?
PERSONAL POINT:
(Do you know the intricacies of the energy of lightning force, how it
is created, its many parts, its uses, both good and bad? DO YOU KNOW
THAT YOUR OWN MIND IS CAPABLE OF CAUSING THIS?) Your mind holds more
energy within than most *experts* believe. The power of the mind, the G-
d within, is capable of much more extreme use than science has thus far
proven. I say thank heavens. The secret remains pretty secret except
for very few. Few chosen and trusted with this kind of knowledge.
During a government recruitment, they used every form of persuasion,
coercion, and intimidation to delve into my electrical mind. The result
was that every encephlogram they tried to give me short-circuited their
machines, (fried them...) so they never got a reading. But I guarantee
you, thought is energy in its purest form and energy with force and
will behind it can kill...among other things.
They also tried to get me to use psychic abilities which I refused to
do and continued to pretend that I was about as intelligent as a
fruitloop. They used my family. They used drugs, but drugs have
absolutely no affect on me, YET I can mimic any drug that has ever been
introduced into my system to the point where it is detectable in a
blood test. They used my religion. They used promises of elaborate
proportions including self-enrichment, but I just continued to let them
think I was an utter failure.
I can also heal at will, and heal others by taking their illnesses or
wounds unto myself, then healing myself. Though it weakens me phsically
for awhile, there have never been any left over side effects. There are
others like me, and if I need an extra surge, I can always get in ways
that would boggle most peoples' minds.
Back to JOB:
Skipping over a few verses that have no context....
The wing of the ostrich beateth joyously; but are her pinions and
feathers the kindly stork's?
For she leaveth her eggs on the earth, and warmeth them in the dust,
and forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may
trample them.
She is hardened against her young ones as if they were not hers; though
her labor be in vain, she is without fear; BECAUSE G-D HATH DEPRIVED
HER OF WISDOM, NEITHER HATH HE IMPARTED TO HER UNDERSTANDING. WHEN THE
TIME COMETH, SHE RAISES HER WINGS ON HIGH, AND SCORNETH THE HORSE AND
RIDER.

JOB 40
Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said:
'Shall he that reproveth contend with the Almighty? He that argueth
with G-d, LET HIM ANSWER IT.'


Throughout the prose in this book are mention of coals cooling upon the
earth. The void and darkness caused by the dense cloud cover over all
the earth as the oceans evaporated. There is mention of mountains
becoming molten pits in whose channels fire burst forth IN CONJUNCTION
WITH mention of leviathan WHICH HAS ITS EXPLANATION AT THE END HERE.
There is mention of behemoths.

Random, somewhat enlightening, quotes from JOB:
'A fire of G-d is fallen from heaven and hath burned all the sheep, and
the servants, and consumed them.'
(Human beginnings:)
"Why died I not from the womb? Why did I not perish at birth? Why did
the knees receive me? And wherefor the breasts, that I should suck?
For now, should I have lain still and been quiet. (beginnings of
speech. it made them different and made their *people* afraid.)
I should have slept, then had I been at rest___with kings and
counsellors of the earth, who built up waste palaces for themselves....
'

'In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on
men, fear came upon me, and trembling, and all my bones were made to
shake.
Then a spirit passed before my face, that made the hair of my flesh to
stand up. It stood still, but I could not discern the appearance
thereof; a form was before my eyes; I heard a still voice:
'Shall mortal man be just before G-d?
Shall a man be pure before his maker? Behold, He putteth no trust in
his servants, and his angels he chargeth with folly; how much more them
that dwell in houses of clay; whose foundation is in the dust,
(Archaea) who are crushed before the moth! Betwixt morning and evening
they are shattered; they perish forever without regarding it. Is not
their tent-cord plucked up within them?
They die, AND THAT WITHOUT WISDOM.'

'They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope at noonday as in the
night.'

'Mine inward thoughts are my intercessors...'

VOLCANOES: (via Leviathan which has several meanings depending on which
context used.)
Who can uncover the face of his garment?
Who shall come within his double bridle?
Who can open the doors of his face?
Round about his teeth is terror.
His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. One is
so near to another, that no air can come between them. They are joined
to one another; they stick together and cannot be sundered. His
sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like eyelids of morning.
Out of his mouth go burning torches, and sparks of fire leap forth. Out
of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot and burning
rushes. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
In his neck abideth strength, and dismay danceth before him. The flakes
of his flesh are joined together; they are firm upon him; they cannot
be removed. His heart is firm as a stone; yea, firm as nether
millstone.
When he raiseth himself up, the mightyare afraid; by reason of dispair
they are beside themselves.
If one lay at him with a sword, it will not hold; nor the spear, the
dart, nor the pointed shaft.
He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot
make him flee; slingstones are turned with him into stubble. Clubs are
accounted as stubble; he laugheth at the rattling of the javelin.
Sharpest potshards are under hi; he spreadeth a threshing sledge upon
the mire. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot; he maketh the sea like
a seething mixture. He maketh a PATH TO SHINE AFTER HIM; one would
think the deep to be hoary.
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Even more than these things in other OT books, including ONE passage,
and one only, that the Messiah will be female...
65 posted on 12/31/2002 11:18:59 PM PST by Nix 2
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When he raiseth himself up, the mighty are afraid; by reason of despair they are beside themselves.

Is this along the same lines of the despair Søren Kierkegaard describes all throughout The Sickness Unto Death and this idea here:

The fantastic is generally speaking what carries a person into the infinite in such a way that it only leads him away from himself and thus prevents him from coming back to himself ???

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Job 1: verse 6-Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of G-d came to present themselves before the Lord, and *Satan came also among them.
*That is, THE ADVERSARY.

7. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the Lord, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'

8. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered My servant, Job.....')

Stop there and realize that this was the Biblical translation of separating humanity, (JOB,) from its relative safety from within already established tribal arrangements, the beginning of the human age.

I hate to be repeating, but isn't this a description of what I said Thomas Hobbes was alluding to in Leviathan:

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.

Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] ...Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Israel, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.
(bold emphasis added)

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I'm not sure I am following you. I will say that I did point out some Judaic scholars believe the book of Job is more ancient than Abraham, while others claim it was written by Moses: sacred-texts.com. I also raised the question of Oedipus and of Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton) being analagous stories related to both those of Moses and Job - - the conflict between the Judaic and the pagan: Ethereal Explorations II (as illustrated by the Maccabean period (with Antiochus Epiphanes); Satan as the pagan Egyptian god Set and the "Adversary" of Judaic theology; and the stories of Job, Moses, Oedipus, and Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton).

Another question I ponder... Are the stories of Oedipus Rex and Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton) pagan Egyptian and pagan Greek representations and /or deceptive replacements for the Judaic Biblical figures of Job and/or Moses? And does this extend into the conflict of more modern times?

66 posted on 01/01/2003 4:41:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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ANYONE who seeks knowledge outside the Church is considered an enemy of the Church. THAT is the evil that HaSatan represents to the church. Knowledge. HaSatan never came as a destroyer. It came as a teacher and tester.
It was never the intent to break down the mind to rebuild it in some other fashion, which is the Church at its finest. It is the will of the Church that one not learn anything which could prove them wrong and it worked for centuries.
Half the NT is footnotes that have little to no truth whatsoever contained therein, but oh, they try in some of the most outrageous ways to *explain* the inexplicable.
You wish to discuss epic tomes with regard to history and how it was fashioned. There is far too much literature to chose from and from comparative studies, there are NONE than can precisely discuss any real actuallity because for every yea there is a nay.
I did several essays on Walden's Utopia, Skinner and Krutch. Though they disagreed, I could find none of the whole truth in either. What I have found is flawed reasoning based on individual and preconceived biases.
I prefer up front truth to ancient and flawed philospophies based on irrational thought because they ALL fail in one basic regard. They do not take into consideration HUMANS as they ARE, but rather what they think they might be.
67 posted on 01/01/2003 3:16:24 PM PST by Nix 2
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ping...
68 posted on 01/01/2003 3:21:11 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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LOL!!! I see you finally took my advice and called your daddy. Putz!
69 posted on 01/01/2003 4:12:57 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Sacred-texts"

Maybe you who are so home on the site delving into Atlantis can give me some pointers on the nature of the hole at the North Pole, the Hollow Earth, and why the Earth is Shaped Like a Banana? Is it true that Shaver was just a lowly Barber?

70 posted on 01/01/2003 4:24:24 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot; Nix 2
Earth is Shaped Like a Banana?

I know nothing about this nonsense. But I bet I'd love the story.

71 posted on 01/01/2003 5:30:13 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Nix 2
The Tikkun Olam Pagans` pseudo-religion consists of the following reductionist "theological" foundations:

1. Judaism in its entirety is essentially the advocacy and promotion of social justice.

Aurther Miller's Death of a Salesman like I said?

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Putz!

Schmuk!

72 posted on 01/01/2003 5:42:04 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: SJackson
I know nothing about this nonsense. But I bet I'd love the story.

Actually, there's a historical reference in Python's grail epic. I think it is really from sir Bedevere's seminal work "The Witch, the Wardrobe and the Banana". Did I mention that sir Bedevere was a very naughty character, aside from being steeped in the Sciences?


73 posted on 01/01/2003 5:56:23 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
Actually, there's a historical reference in Python's grail epic

That's where they rode horses, without horses, but with a solid precussion section isn't it?

Banana shaped earth, starting to make sense, though not as much fun as a


74 posted on 01/01/2003 6:00:33 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; Nix 2
Putz!

Schmuk!

Pecker?

75 posted on 01/01/2003 6:02:45 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
It is a description of what Judaism is NOT....not what it IS!


Many sausages have known things before you had time to react.
Troglodyte kidneys measure your eyes in sardonic spasms not unlike the
movements of an albatross buried in creosote.
Madam, what a handsome moustashe you wear!

Makes all the sense in the world to reductionists like yo bad self.
76 posted on 01/01/2003 6:16:38 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: SJackson
It's a purely visual gotta spit out your pop and stuff, so get thee away from thy keyboard.
77 posted on 01/01/2003 6:18:34 PM PST by Nix 2
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