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Germany finds Bush 'baffling'(EUROTRASH ALERT)
Toronto Globe and Mail via AP | Monday, December 23

Posted on 12/24/2002 9:16:23 AM PST by Sparta

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Berlin — Germany intends to work for more diplomatic pressure by European countries against a war in Iraq, a member of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's cabinet said in an interview published Monday that portrayed U.S. President George Bush as misguided.

"Bush's priorities are baffling to me," said Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, renewing an argument by many German officials that solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should come first.

"War must not be the extension of politics or the economy by other means," she was quoted as telling the on-line service of Der Spiegel magazine. She said it was "depressing that the U.S. administration is preparing for war apparently regardless of the result of weapons inspections."

Members of Mr. Schroeder's government and his Social Democratic party have stepped up their antiwar warnings in recent days since the Bush administration declared Iraq's report on its weapons programs flawed and in breach of a United Nations resolution demanding a full accounting.

"We are still working on preventing a war. That is the most important thing," Ms. Wieczorek-Zeul said, without giving details. "We hope that more European states will join in and together send a strong signal to the American government."

The Minister renewed criticisms repeatedly heard from Mr. Schroeder: that U.S. plans for a post-Saddam Iraq "absolutely rudimentary," and that a war would undermine the U.S.-led fight against terrorism and hurt the world economy.

Mr. Schroeder ruled out German participation in any war on Iraq during his successful re-election campaign last summer.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurarabia; eurotrash; fourthreich; irrelevant
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Who's Germany?
1 posted on 12/24/2002 9:16:23 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
It's that country that finds freedom, somewhat baffeling.
2 posted on 12/24/2002 9:21:25 AM PST by Puppage
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To: Sparta
The Marshall Plan (How the United States saved Germany and indeed most of Europe from starvation)

Germany faces strike paralysis (HOLD MEIN BIER, FROHLICHE WEINACHTEN)

Germany hit by wave of public sector strikes (HOLD MEIN BIER, THE CHAOS)

Iraqi Report Could Prove Damaging to Germany

Poll: Negative Attitudes Towards Jews Remain In Germany

Germany slashes military spending (US taxpayers will continue to protect their sorry asses)

German leaders warn that welfare-state comforts may be trimmed

German Businesses Head for Lower-Cost Shores

German business leaders warn of crisis

3 posted on 12/24/2002 9:21:49 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Sparta
Until Germany can demonstrate that it has regained the ability to find its ass with both hands, it ought to be ignored.
4 posted on 12/24/2002 9:22:00 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Sparta
The Germans and their European brethren find anything other than appeasement baffling. No news here. On to Iraq.
5 posted on 12/24/2002 9:24:41 AM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: Sparta
Wieczorek-Zeul is a Green, a party headed by Joschka Fischer who in the 60's was a street brawler who led anti-American demonstrations.

After the glory days of the Wirtschaftwunder when Germany, protected by the US, became the economic engine of Europe, the country has gone into decline, politically pathetic and economically bankrupt.

6 posted on 12/24/2002 9:30:58 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Sparta
There has NEVER been any comprehension on the part of Germans, for the rather free-wheeling scope of freedom that Americans seemed to take for granted, at least until recently, from the days when the Republic as being established, and as the territories were being forged into States. Otto von Bismarck was supposed to have remarked, that God watches out for "fools, drunks, children and Americans." Implying that Americans are not good rational sensible people like Germans, who seem to be partial to marching in rows and adhering to a strict hierarchy in their social and business dealings.

Germany never had any cowboys, and do not seem to understand the concept of "cowboy justice".
7 posted on 12/24/2002 9:32:21 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Sparta
If my name were Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, I'd probably be crazy too.

I wonder what "development aid" is? Passing out condoms to refugees?
8 posted on 12/24/2002 9:39:55 AM PST by Cicero
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To: alloysteel
German Who Brought Cowboys To the Rhineland Wins Fans in U.S. [Free Republic]
9 posted on 12/24/2002 9:47:38 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Sparta
Ignore the annoying leftism and anti-Americanism for a moment:

Why is the Minister for Development Aid publicly offering her opinion on security matters?

What kind of ship is Schroeder running? It's like the head of USAID offering his opinions on foreign policy without referring the matter to Secretary Powell.

The German government is now strictly amateur hour.

10 posted on 12/24/2002 9:47:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Sparta
"Bush's priorities are baffling to me," said Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, renewing an argument by many German officials that solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should come first.

The Germans want to "solve" the conflict by ordering Israel to accede to whatever demand Arafat makes, including giving all of Jerusalem to the Palestinians.

11 posted on 12/24/2002 10:13:29 AM PST by lasereye
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To: What Is Ain't
In a perfect world like this . . . the appeasers might have a point.

But we've learned it's not a perfect world so everyone who truly believes in freedom must be prepared and willing to do this to those leaders and countries who are threatening our freedom . . .


12 posted on 12/24/2002 10:23:15 AM PST by geedee
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To: Sparta
The masters of mass genocide..
13 posted on 12/24/2002 10:31:40 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: Sparta
"War must not be the extension of politics or the economy by other means," she was quoted as telling the on-line service of Der Spiegel magazine.

How strange that she quotes Von Clausiewicz and negates his dictum in the same paraphrase.
In his classic book "On War" (which most Western military officers are very familiar with) he says very clearly that violence is the perpetuation of politics through violent means.
I wonder if the "almost quote" was pure serendipity?

14 posted on 12/24/2002 10:39:50 AM PST by CaptBlack
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Superb set of links! I've always contended that the cream of Germany immigrated to the United States. It's no wonder the leftovers find Bush baffling . . . and Hitler charming.
15 posted on 12/24/2002 10:49:29 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Sparta
"Bush's priorities are baffling to me," said Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, renewing an argument by many German officials that solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should come first.

oh, they rile against Cow Boys while they act as the Arabs' Butt Boys. Israel is under no violation and is seeking ways to comply with unenforceable chapter 6 UN resolution.

Iraq is in violation of peace breeching Chapter 7 UN resolution.

I find the Germans baffling in that they still seek to purify the free world's business while targeting the Jews at the same time.

16 posted on 12/24/2002 12:44:39 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: Vigilanteman
This kind of rhetoric coming from Germany is all the more reason to pull US troops out of Germany. And as for the charge that Bush is trying to destract from our economy-which is being targeted by people such as terrorist tyrants like Saddam Hussein is laughable considering Germany is in serious trouble and they continue to support Schroeder based on the anti-Americanism. This world is a sick place and Germany is a moralless, destructive and spiteful country that has no right to tell us how immoral they think we are.
17 posted on 12/24/2002 12:45:29 PM PST by bushfamfan
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To: lasereye
When you have a head like a block of lead and are not used to hearing leaders tell you the truth, then I guess it baffling to you.

If that is incorrect, then you are just:

STUPID

18 posted on 12/24/2002 3:15:24 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Sparta
The krauts have such a wonderful history on foreign policy issues that they must be listened to.. Not!
19 posted on 12/24/2002 3:22:05 PM PST by Monty22
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To: CaptBlack
No coincidence, I'm sure. Someone get this woman some Depends.. She is obviously suffering from Euro-nary incontinence.
20 posted on 12/24/2002 7:32:09 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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