Guns apparently good for us, but not for them

Zanesville Times Recorder ^ | 21 December 2002 | Jim Siegel

[harpseal]

While we can resist now at the ballot box (where it is not compromised by fraud), we are facing an ultimate confrontation with tyranny. Just a matter of time. Keep your powder dry, close and abundant

The fraud that is rampant at the ballot box makes the confrontation ever more inevitable. Tim Johnson sits in the senate due to fraud. How many others are in office only because of fraud? Can we consider any laws they make legitimate. So called Campaign Finance Reform will if left to stand take away much of what little remains of the soap box and may finally revoke the ballot box.

I too am convinced it will probably come down to a confrintation. I do not like the idea because I realize who incredibly horrible such a confrontation would be for a our nation.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Ravenstar]

I'm glad you lived up to your name ClearCase_guy. I don't think an apology is necessary but your acknowledgement of a course correction in thinking is welcome and I think the arguments were generally well constructed but I do agree that alpowolf had the clearest and most concise argument on this one.There will be times, of course, when the situation is muddier and you just end up agreeing to disagree.

Ravenstar

[MadeInOhio]

Unfortunately, the alternative in 2002 was worse, to wit: Demo Tim Hagan.

In contemporary Ohio politics the only choices Buckeyes seem to get are between RINOs and left-wing Dems.

[ZULU]

"the amended gun bill that passed the Senate this month (but later died for lack of a House concurrence) expressly prohibited people from carrying guns into the Statehouse or any other government building."

Whatever idiotic liberal moron wrote this obviously has read very little history.

Some of the most belligerant, armed societies that have ever existed forbade carrying weapons in certain areas. Obviously a courtroom or government building or church should be one of these.

Why don't these pacifistic Tarzan-clones get a life and stop showing everybody how idiotic they really are.

[EBUCK]

Surprise?, that went out of vouge years ago. Now we're just satisfied with simmering discontent.

Was a time when something like this was a career ender for a politician, say one thing do another, but these days you've got to have been proven to be a pedophile, murder and nazi before your name even gets brought up.

On the issue of banning weapons in some areas/situations...if in a private setting, let the propieter decide, or his customers can/will decide for him. In a public setting there is a little known part of the constitution that determines those rules for us.

EBUCK

[EBUCK]

I too am convinced it will probably come down to a confrintation. I do not like the idea because I realize who incredibly horrible such a confrontation would be for a our nation.

Could such a confrontation be any worse then where we're headed in say 10 years? Just think about what another 8 years of Rat occupation (not to say that under pubbie occupation we will fare much better but this is a Worst Case Scenario here) could do with the OHS, Pat Act etc.. will do, yikes.

EBUCK

[IMHO]

My understanding is that the prohibitions against citizens bearing weapons in courthouses came about after two separate shooting incidents - both perpetrated by law enforcement officers...

[teeman8r]

with freedom comes responsibility and we are all free to yell fire in a crowded theater, but the consequences of causing false panic, possible injury and the reimbursement of all those expensive tickets deter would be shouters... as far a a freedom of speech issue... it is a straw argument, because everything we say, we are going to face consequences...

just like in carrying a gun, the bearer must live with the responsibility of useage, good or bad...

if i must go to jail to protect my family, i will. it is knowing the consequences that accompany actions that define responsible gun ownership. the state houses should not be off limits to concealed carry permit holders.... after all, the second amendment was penned to thwart tyrrany in government.

[archy]

And what does Frist say about guns. I really want to know because I think he is against them.

He's been graded with a *D* by the Gun Owners Of America, and his sellouts of gun owners seem to be progressing. Info *here.*

-archy-/-

[archy]

See above post #49. I missed adding you to the ping for that one; sorry about that.

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[Salvation]

Thanks, archy.

It appears he doesn't have too many friends in this area.

What about immigration?

Homeland Security?

I know he is not the greatest on pro-life (even though he seems to rated fairly high here.)

And some conservatives had said that when they attempted to talk with him about the "real" conservative issues that he was rude to them and unwilling to listen.

[jjm2111]

Thanks for the ping. w/regards to frist. I thought as much.

[archy]

Frist's personal friendship and political connections to disbarred former attorney and former Shelby County [Memphis area] Dempcratic Party Chairman Henry Sutton, brother of Memphis narcotics distributor Bonnie Ray Sutton, who was found shot to death in a car trunk back around the time Sutton was removed of his own political position offers a few other directions for a closer look at Frist's background and campaign funding sources as well.

But the Democrat-friendly Quisling press won't be doing it, nor will those Free Republic *investigators* who've helped keep former Bush DEA Administrator appointee Asa Hutchinson's role in keeping the Republican side of their involvement in the organized narcotics smuggling operations operating from the Mena, AR airport and elsewhere as well covered up as possible.

[archy]

What about immigration

You know, that's one area of his policy background with which I'm not at all familiar. But I do know who to ask.

There sure have been some odd goings-on around Memphis and Shelby County regarding the availability of false identification for illegals, both Moslem terrorists and Mexican invaders, some of whom were brought to Tennessee to work in the plants run by the Arkansas-based Tyson organized crime family. It might be interesting tio research Frist's past campaign donations for Tyson-linked money, or that from other users of cheep illegal alien labour.

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[Alamo-Girl]

Hmmm ... thanks for the heads up!