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Somebody please call the WAAMBULANCE.
1 posted on 12/06/2002 5:19:32 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
What do you call a government that has troops stationed in a hundred countries around the world?

A protector.

2 posted on 12/06/2002 5:20:24 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Sparta
Brownes an embarrasment to good Randist libertarians everywhere. The objectivist are pretty cool even if you dislike their official views on religion.

Fifty Years of Appeasement Led to Black Tuesday By Leonard Peikoff

Fifty years of increasing American appeasement in the Mideast have led to fifty years of increasing contempt in the Muslim world for the United States. The inevitable climax was the tens of thousands of deaths on September 11, 2001—the blackest day in our history, so far. The Palestinians, among others, responded by dancing in the streets and handing out candy.

Fifty years ago, Truman and Eisenhower ceded to the Arabs the West's property rights in oil—although that oil properly belonged to those in the West whose science and technology made its discovery and use possible.

This capitulation was not practical, but philosophical. The Arab dictators were denouncing the wealthy egoistic West. They were crying that the masses of their poor needed our sacrifice; that oil, like all property, is owned collectively, by virtue of birth; and that they knew all this by means of ineffable or otherworldly emotion. Our Presidents had no answer. Implicitly, they were ashamed of the Declaration of Independence. They did not dare to answer aloud that Americans, rightfully, were motivated by the selfish desire to pursue personal happiness in a rich, secular, individualist society.

The Arabs embodied in extreme form every idea—selfless duty, anti-materialism, faith or feeling above science, the supremacy of the group—which our universities and churches, and our own political Establishment, had long been preaching as the essence of virtue. When two groups, our leadership and theirs, accept the same basic ideas, the most consistent wins.

After property came liberty. The Iranian dictator Khomeini threatened with death a British author—and with destruction his American publisher—if they exercised their right to free speech. He explained that the book in question offended the religion of his people. The Bush Administration looked the other way.

After liberty came American life itself—as in Iran's support of the massacre of our soldiers in Saudi Arabia, and the Afghanistan-based assault on our embassies in East Africa. Again, the American response was unbridled appeasement: a Realpolitikisch desire not to "jeopardize relations" with the aggressor country, covered up by a purely rhetorical vow to punish the guilty, along with an occasional pretend bombing. By now, the world knows that we are indeed a paper tiger.

The final guarantee of American impotence is the bipartisan proclamation that a terrorist is an individual alone responsible for his actions, and that "we must try each before a court of law." This is tantamount, while under a Nazi aerial bombardment, to seeking out and trying the pilots involved while ignoring Hitler and Germany.

Terrorists exist only through the sanction and support of the governments behind them. Their lethal behavior is that of the regimes that make them possible. Their killings are not crimes, but acts of war. The only proper response to such acts is war in self-defense.

We do not need more evidence to "pinpoint" the perpetrators of any one of these atrocities, including the latest and most egregious—we already have total certainty with regard to the governments primarily responsible for the repeated slaughter of Americans in recent years. We must now use our unsurpassed military to destroy all branches of the Iranian and Afghani governments, regardless of the suffering and death this will bring to the many innocents caught in the line of fire. We must wipe out the terrorist training camps or sanctuaries, and eliminate any retaliatory military capability—and thereby terrorize and paralyze all the tyrannies watching, who will now know what is in store for them if they choose in any form to attack the United States. That will be the end of the terrorists.

Our missiles and occupation troops, however, will be effective only if they are preceded by our President's morally righteous statement that we intend hereafter to defend by every means possible each American's right to his property, his liberty, and his secure enjoyment of life here on earth.

To those who oppose war, I ask: If not now, when? How many more corpses are necessary before this country should take action? The choice today is mass death in the United States or mass death in the terrorist nations. President Bush must decide whether it is his duty to save Americans or the governments who seek to kill them.

4 posted on 12/06/2002 5:23:29 AM PST by weikel
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To: Sparta
Whenever I say that America has become an empire, someone is sure to say I'm being ridiculous.

Someone is sure to say that you are ridiculous no matter what you say, Harry. And someone would be right. You can't help it - you just exude ridiculousness from every pore.

5 posted on 12/06/2002 5:23:30 AM PST by strela
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To: Sparta
What do you call a government that has troops stationed in a hundred countries around the world?

A country who is still pissed about 9/11.

7 posted on 12/06/2002 5:26:25 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Sparta
What do you call a government whose leader says everyone must play by his rules or risk being attacked?

Um, Harry must've been on another planet on 9/11. WE were the ones who were attacked, not the other way around.

9 posted on 12/06/2002 5:29:03 AM PST by Catspaw
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"Yes, people in foreign countries want American troops there – just about as much as the Poles enjoyed having Soviet troops in Poland. "

Sure...that's it...they want us out of their crummy little countries so that they can pay for their own military to protect them....because they can afford it due to the overwhelming success of their crappy little socialist "economies"...

I would love to bring all the American troops home. These foreign countries are not worthy of their presence.

(barf alert indeed)
15 posted on 12/06/2002 5:38:53 AM PST by Constitutional Patriot
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To: Sparta
While I do not agree with this guy on 90% of what he said, one has to admit that we do have our fingers in to many pies and I don't just mean militarily but monetarily as well. We do need to get out of some these places, especially if they don't want us there. Think about how much of our Tax money is given as bribes to government officials to station our military in some of these places. Again I am not against the War against Terrorism, in fact i'm all for it but we do need to start worrying about America's defense & economy & the hell with the rest of the world. Besides the recent poll showed that they all hate us, why help the B@stards.
23 posted on 12/06/2002 5:50:29 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Sparta
I dropped out of the LP 20 years ago, because their approach to the world is completely impractical, and substitutes panaceas for truth.

For example, Browne calls Grenada an American "attack" while conveniently forgetting that a couple hundred American medical students were trapped in the middle of a socialist coup d'etat incited by Cuba. Their lives were in danger.

And though Vietnam turned out badly, the original impetus for our involvement there - protection of the RSVN from the murderer Ho Chi Minh - was correct and proper. Browne (and most of the world) has again forgotten that post-1975, millions of South Vietnamese were killed and/or imprisoned by the communists, and the "domino theory" did indeed come into play in both Laos and Cambodia (where another several million were murdered by the Maoist lunatic Pol Pot).

People like Browne are despicable in their phoney idealism and refusal to admit that evil does often clash with the desire for liberty. They make everything too conveniently neat and tidy, which is not the way life works.

26 posted on 12/06/2002 5:52:55 AM PST by angkor
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Yes, people in foreign countries want American troops there – just about as much as the Poles enjoyed having Soviet troops in Poland.

Harry has been smoking way too much of the Libertarian Party's official flower.

30 posted on 12/06/2002 5:56:12 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Sparta
Say good night, Harry.
51 posted on 12/06/2002 6:27:32 AM PST by FryingPan101
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I am the walrus. Coo-koo catchoo.

Browne is a dope and he is smoking too much of it.
62 posted on 12/06/2002 6:50:54 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Sparta
"Somebody please call the WAAMBULANCE."

Why the "Barf Alert"? What did Browne write that was untrue? Do you believe stretching our military resources across the entire globe is actually a smart thing to do? This is so typical. Someone criticizes the government when a Democrat is in office and "conservatives" cheer. Someone criticizes the government when a Republican is in office and "conservatives" jeer. Care to explain?

76 posted on 12/06/2002 7:09:26 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: Sparta
Questions abound.

What did you hope to accomplish by posting this article?

And what was your screen name before you recently RE-signed up?

84 posted on 12/06/2002 7:16:20 AM PST by Protagoras
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Browne and all of the rest of the libertarian tinfoil hatters must be considered enemies. They are nothing more than rat shills. When we wring our hands about close losses because of their votes we are missing the point. These people are just hybred rats - no different. We should look at those races from the opposite view. They take away rat votes not Republican votes. They NEVER were ours to begin with! These dip shiites are NOT Republican voters they are rat voters who sometimes stray.
101 posted on 12/06/2002 7:58:08 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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Harry Browne's occasionally mind-boggling adherence to pure ideology in a world too pragmatic for him, as well as his grip on the Libertarian Party leadership is what's caused me to not renew my Libertarian Party membership. When he's gone maybe I will, but not until.

On pure theory, I agree with a lot of what Harry Browne says. If I weren't a realist, I'd agree with nearly all of it. But in regards to our stationing of troops in military bases overseas, I always have and always will think he's correct.

If Saudi Arabia or Russia wanted to put a military base on U.S. soil, the mere suggestion would likely cause whispers of war.

105 posted on 12/06/2002 8:04:25 AM PST by tdadams
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When you read these anit America histronics, which sound like they might be coming from Ramadam Press releases. You have to wonder if the Opecker Princes and Islamofascists in charge of Iran/Iraq have been funding a whole lot of different people/groups for a few decades!
122 posted on 12/06/2002 9:25:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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The Libertarians biggest problem is Harry Browne's inability to inspire anyone or anything outside of a doormat.
132 posted on 12/06/2002 3:24:50 PM PST by MoJo2001
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