/sarcasm
KEEP THOSE FIREMEN OUT!!
Posted on 12/03/2002 6:32:19 AM PST by Iron Eagle
Edited on 05/07/2004 7:38:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Published in the Asbury Park Press 12/03/02 Fire alerts authorities to nearly 500 weapons By MICHAEL CLANCY STAFF WRITER FAIR HAVEN -- Three dump trucks removed an arsenal of live ammunition and almost 500 weapons -- all of them apparently held legally -- which police found in a home after the fire department responded to a chimney fire and the homeowner threatened the fire chief with a rifle, authorities said yesterday.
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You might want to think about setting up a legal defense fund for your boy. He's going to need all the help he can get.
Common sense is supposed to work in concert with our Constitutional rights. The firefighters are responsible for the fire safety of the community in the immediate area of this guy's house where a chimney fire has occurred. It is their obligation and duty to survey the situation and render further assistance or deem the situation as being safe. The surrounding homes are directly affected by what results from Arford's chimney fire. The firefighters would be derilict to accept the opinion of a budget analyst as the final word with regard to firefighting matters. The neighbors probably appreciate the diligence of the firefighters.
Why should anyone believe what you claim to "know". -- You just demonstrated that you're a lying sack of crap with your baseless "kiddie porn" charge.
The ball's in their court, after all. And if he is acquitted, unless he can find a lawyer who thinks his case is a slam dunk, he's going to have trouble even finding a lawyer to take the case. In the mean time, your boy's legal fees are going to be sky-high. He's not poor enough to qualify for a public defender (he's employed, or at least he was, he owns property, he has that gun collection, just for starters), so just for the criminal case, he's going to be shelling the retainer--and then there's the hourly fee, billable monthly once that retainer's gone. He'll have a battle with his insurance company, and that's more legal fees out of his pocket. If he loses his job with the Army, well, that's more legal fees to fight that battle. Then, and if he gets to that point, even if he can find a lawyer, and even with an agreement with the lawyer to take a hefty percentage of any possible settlement, if the lawyer doesn't think the case is a slam dunk, that lawyer's going to get a retainer and an agreement for him to pay all costs and fees--paying for depositions can take quite a bite of anyone's pocketbook. You might want to think about setting up a legal defense fund for your boy. He's going to need all the help he can get.
There is one thing here you need not prove 'cat'. You have the one of the biggest ratchet mouths, and egos - on FR. Congrats.
I'd just assume take control of my future without FedGov handouts or their dictation .
From later posts, my impression of your position is this...the fire dept forcing anyone to leave their home without a warrant issued is an unreasonable seizure.
I can understand that. My view, however, is that since time is of the essence during a fire, a warrant cannot reasonably be had. Because a fire (smoke inhalation can be quite life threatening) is an emergency situation I do not feel it is unreasonable for a person to be temporarily seized without a warrant.
Can "emergency situation" be abused? Certainly. I will tell you that I thought the whole, "Oooh, there are a few drops of blood at OJ's house, someone must be DYING inside" crap to enter his residence was utterly unconstitutional.
Part of my concern with placing limits upon fire dept personnel is that hordes of relatives will sue the dept insisting that their freedom loving relative was surely mentally deficient because of the smoke inhaled and leaving such a deficient person was tantamount to murder.
Ah, shucks. That bites. Isn't the infliction of personal consequences, such as the withholding of an insurance payment, unconstitutional or something? ;)
The folks on this thread who are jbarking about the gun owner being a bad Second Amendment example, unsafe in gun storage, etc. are full of crap and themselves examples of what is wrong in this country. kWhat is safe on one situiation is not necessarily so in another. This man's rights are not limited by quantity. He has rights under the BOR to posesses. There is no BOR restriction on quantity any more ther is a restriction on the number of press articles you may write.
hmm. well the usual advice on FR is not to fight local/state laws. if you don't like the laws where you live, just move.
"Thank God I left_____ X years ago." should have its own bump list.
Thats why I have a sign in my front yard that says "FIRE DEPT. If my house is burning up and I am not at home, please call my cell phone ________. If you do not get an answer, please call my office (8am-7pm, Mon-Sat) and leave a voice mail since I might be in a meeting. Thanks.
I'll try to post a picture of it later.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary:
"arsenal - a public establishment for the manufacture and storage of weapons and ammunition of all kinds"
This guy's house was neither a place for manufacture nor was it a public establishment. It was a private home with a lot of weapons in it.
LOL! That's the least of his problems right now, of course. He's going to be shelling out some serious bucks for lawyers in the near future. By the time the court system is done with him, he's going to be living in a van down by the river.
I hope you have call waiting.
You need to be abated.
I have a sign in my front yard that says "FIRE DEPT. If my house is burning up and I am not at home, please call my cell phone ________. If you do not get an answer, please call my office (8am-7pm, Mon-Sat) and leave a voice mail since I might be in a meeting. Thanks.
Your sign will be figuratively and literally trampled in the firefighters haste to douse any flames coming from your abode.
Oh, the FD of Santa Clarita was royally trashed for not saving Beck's house, even though firefighters are neither armed nor wear protective vests like the PD--but yet, they were condemned for not saving Beck's house. In this instance, because they came in and some panicky guy refused to leave, they're trashed again because they responded to a call. (This would've received publicity if he had 90 cats or 90 dogs or 90 gerbils--the press loves BIG numbers of anything.) So if they stayed out while the guy's house burned down around him like Beck, those same people would've trashed the FD.
Whiners? You bet. I've just never seen firefighters as agents of the NWO, but they sure do. I just hope that if or when a fire starts at their place that they don't bother to call 911 because firefighters don't need this crap.
/sarcasm
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