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These Victims Are People, Too - What hate crimes have wrought.
National Review Online ^ | 11/26/02 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 11/26/2002 6:35:24 AM PST by Fury

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Right on the money article. Thank you, NRO.
1 posted on 11/26/2002 6:35:24 AM PST by Fury
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To: Fury
See, this is another case where Dashole is absolutely correct. Talk radio does have a major advantage. Talk radio will be permitted to discuss the vicious murder of this woman by a fairy and help listeners draw conclusions. The ultra-left wing, extremist liberal media can't! That's right, they can't. The NYT, CNN and the other old media are prohibited from ever mentioning a crime committed by a member of the other team, the fairies.

So, just as Jennings was prohibited from even mentioning the circumstances under which Torricelli quit, he is also unable to mention this fairy murderer or it's victim.

This is why I agree with Dashole. The new Congress must pass legislation that will free the old media from the censorship that prevents them from doing an objective job of informing us. Who knows how many fairy, black or democrat criminals are operating out there? Isn't it about time we were allowed to know?

2 posted on 11/26/2002 6:49:29 AM PST by Tacis
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To: Fury
The pair were witnessing to me, which as Evangelicals is a duty of faith.

. . . this couple was advocating an exclusivist brand of Christianity,

They tell everone of any race about it and invite them to join, and this is exclusivist how?

3 posted on 11/26/2002 6:51:35 AM PST by DManA
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To: Fury
Arm yourself. One day that might be the only thing that'll save you thanks to these "laws."
4 posted on 11/26/2002 6:57:57 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: DManA
The truth is, in this writer's misuse of the word, inherantly exclusivist. Evangelical Christianity (of which I am an adherant) and Roman Catholic Christianity (for which I have great respect but with which I disagree on some fundamental theological issues) are both exclusivist in this writer's understanding of the word, because both make truth claims and reject the relativistic (and nonsensical) view that if we are talking about religion two non-reconcilable views can both be true. I have a lot more respect for my Roman Catholic friends who say "I love you, but you should come back to the one true church" than ones who say "Whatever you believe is right for you."
5 posted on 11/26/2002 7:07:49 AM PST by coramdeo
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To: KantianBurke
Arm yourself. One day that might be the only thing that'll save you thanks to these "laws."

10-4. I can't imagine anyone believes it's OK for someone to physically attack a person for simply expressing his beliefs. Shows there are more dangerous wackos out there that it appeared earlier.

Of course, some of us believe that always being armed and aware of possible threats is simply a wise decision that preserves life in most cases.

6 posted on 11/26/2002 7:58:13 AM PST by toddst
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To: Fury
The Stachowicz murder and the national media response to it filled me with a terrible urge toward despair.

I've been saying for a long time that the only respectable prejudice remaining in America is anti-Christian prejudice. This horrible event, and the way it's been treated by the media in general and homosexual partisans -- that is, pundits who are determined to make homosexuality a political interest group with special rights and privileges -- in particular are evidence to that point. This, in a country that's 74% Christian and supposedly upholds the equality of all persons before the law.

Are Jehovah's Witnesses fair game, now? I mean, they come to your doorstep. They quiz you about whether you read your Bible. No non-Witness really likes that sort of thing.

What about Mormon missionaries? All Latter-Day Saints do two years' missionary work; it's required of them by their church. The Mormons are as concerned about homosexuality's hazards to your spiritual health as we Catholics are. Is there a target pinned to their backs, too?

Catholics, of course, are always bottom-of-the-pile when it comes to respect for rights or tolerance for their convictions. The great irony of this is that American Catholics have so completely pulled in their horns. An American Catholic is less likely to talk religion to a non-Catholic than any other Christian denomination.

The Mystical Body of Christ has taken some temporal wounds.

With regard to "exclusivism": I understood Dreher to mean the word in its application to one's prospects for salvation. The Catholic Church concedes that one need not be a Catholic communicant to be saved. There are other Christian denominations that aren't that broadminded. This is entirely separate from the "one true church" claims that all religious denominations make.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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7 posted on 11/27/2002 2:59:50 AM PST by fporretto
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To: american colleen; Domestic Church; EODGUY; patent; nickcarraway; Askel5; AKA Elena; Maximilian; ...
When a homosexual tortures and kills a Catholic woman, why isn't that news? And why aren't we all sounding every available alarm?

Bernadette.

8 posted on 11/27/2002 1:17:10 PM PST by Siobhan
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FYI - Homosexual tortures and kills Catholic woman.

May she rest in peace.

Bernadette.

9 posted on 11/27/2002 1:20:51 PM PST by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Thanks for the ping, Bernadette!

This is an awful crime that will be thrown into file thirteen by the media.
10 posted on 11/27/2002 1:30:04 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Siobhan
It is a tragic reminder of how politically correct and how far away from God the media is. The only place I have read about this story is on the Internet.

May that poor woman rest in peace and God have mercy on her killer.

11 posted on 11/27/2002 1:53:54 PM PST by american colleen
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To: *Catholic_list
FYI - Homosexual tortures and kills Catholic woman.
12 posted on 11/27/2002 1:54:36 PM PST by Siobhan
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To: american colleen
It is a tragic reminder of how politically correct and how far away from God the media is. The only place I have read about this story is on the Internet.

Where else would you get your news? It would never even occur to me to watch television news. Isn't that an oxymoron to begin with?

Rod Dreher mentions that no "major news outlets" like the Boston Globe, New York Times or Washington Post covered the Arkansas story. Well how would you know? Would anyone even consider reading those rags?

Before you think that I'm just out in the middle of flyover country and don't understand the necessity of reading these papers when you live on the East Coast, I did live there for many years, but I never felt obliged to contribute to the support of the liberal establishment.

Give me Howie Carr and the Boston Herald any day! And there's always the Wall Street Journal which is a much more useful paper in any case. If I lived in DC I could survive with the Washington Times just fine, thank you.

I know very conservative friends who insist on subscribing to the Washington Post because they claim they need to stay informed. Give me a break. Misinformed is more like it. And you'll be 100 times more informed if you get your news from the internet.

This might sound like groundbreaking news to some people, but it's entirely possible to live without EVER participating in support of the liberal news establishment. I haven't seen the faces of Rather, Brokaw or Jennings since 9/11 (well, maybe 9/12). I would no more think of watching them then I would consider having a voluntary root canal for fun.

Dr. Johnson said "Clear your mind of cant." It's impossible to do this while you are listening to non-stop regurgitated pap 24/7, no matter how discerning a listener you believe you are. It's much better to simply free your mind from the vice grips of the establishment.

If anyone thinks we have to read and listen to them in order to combat their message, they need to get a life. Life is too short to waste time listening to evil propaganda. My mom used to get annoyed when my dad would watch Dan Rather just to shout at him. Look, the TV doesn't hear you. Much better just to turn your back on the whole kit and caboodle, ignore them completely, make them totally irrelevant.

It's already happened to TV news. No one watches them. All 3 major stations plus CNN are money-losing sinkholes that long ago sold away the intellectual justification for their existence, and now have no commercial justification either. If the networks CARED about the news, they would have replaced those 3 buffoons years ago when the ratings started to drop. But they treat the news department like a slightly batty old uncle that you keep around for old times sake.

The same thing can happen to the Boston Globe, the New York Times and the Washington Post if conservatives shun them entirely. There wouldn't be enough liberals to support them if the conservatives didn't buy them as well. Don't feel obliged to keep up with the Joneses. Just say "No" to liberal media.

13 posted on 11/27/2002 4:48:26 PM PST by Maximilian
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The truth is, you missed the writer's entire point. It is much more important than the first three paragraphs lead you to conclude.

Read the rest of the article, and examine the real issues he is addressing.

It will be worth your time if you do.

pinging

14 posted on 11/27/2002 7:56:32 PM PST by Polycarp
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I agree with you completly We have not read a paper for 10+ years "just say NO to the Liberal media" would make a great T-Shirt.
15 posted on 11/28/2002 1:09:50 AM PST by .45MAN
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To: Fury
They want to destroy faith, they want to destroy people privileging the world and they prove muslims and gays are against faith and freedom since they never attack their "faith".
16 posted on 11/28/2002 1:47:37 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: coramdeo
Indeed, the author tries to point blame at the left yet fails to understand that what he promotes, the mere tolerance of intollerable behavior, is what puts us in this situation in the first place.

Not tolerating gayness does not mean hating and does not mean wanting to kill these people. Not tolerating gays means having faith that these people have to change, they have to stop fighting for their privileges and lifestyles, and give recognition to those who have families and fight for their right to preserve them, to give them a chance to privilege the world in their own ways.

Hate crime law is all about legalising hate and destroying the sort of faith that enables one to fight back in self defense. Had this 51 year old lady gunned down this goon in self defense in his home, she would have been a hate criminal. Let us face it, the victim here is not a mere Christian or mere speech, but self defense.
17 posted on 11/28/2002 1:55:42 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: coramdeo
And we RCs of that sort for you.
18 posted on 11/28/2002 7:21:39 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk; Polycarp; Maximilian; .45MAN; american colleen; sandyeggo; Askel5; patent; AKA Elena; ...
So many on this are missing the most important point: the point is that a Catholic woman was tortured and killed by a homosexual man and almost no one is shouting mad about this. Where are the Cardinals, the USCCB, the priests in their pulpits, the K of C, the 3rd Orders, the laity in the pews (or chairs, as the case may be)? Where are my much loved "voices of orthodoxy" - why aren't they condemning this and banging pots and pans together until this evil is exposed for all the nation to see?

Maybe no one really cares - not even on this forum - about the murder of a Catholic woman at the hands of a homosexual man.

Bernadette.

19 posted on 11/28/2002 8:14:44 AM PST by Siobhan
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To: lavaroise
Not tolerating gays means having faith that these people have to change, they have to stop fighting for their privileges and lifestyles, and give recognition to those who have families and fight for their right to preserve them, to give them a chance to privilege the world in their own ways.

Why not just leave gays alone? In return, I expect them to leave me alone as well. I don't want to know about their lifestyles, or have to approve of their lifestyles.

Gays don't "have to change." They just have to stay out of my face, and I'll stay out of theirs.

20 posted on 11/28/2002 8:31:06 AM PST by sinkspur
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