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GOP governors back Bush on illegals
Washington Times ^ | November 25, 2002 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 11/25/2002 12:51:13 AM PST by sarcasm

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
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1 posted on 11/25/2002 12:51:13 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Money sent back to Mexico by immigrants — legal and illegal — accounts for a significant portion of Mexico's gross domestic product.


2 posted on 11/25/2002 12:56:34 AM PST by ikka
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To: sarcasm; madfly; Tancredo Fan; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector
Rep. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., elected Nov. 5 as Maryland's next governor, said, "Probably the most negative feedback I've received in my eight years in Congress occurred as a result of" a House vote last year on the immigration issue.

"It is an important political issue with the Republican political base these days," he said.

"Immigration is viewed with suspicion across the board, particularly by the Republican base."

Will the RGA pass along this message to Bush....and will he get it?

3 posted on 11/25/2002 1:01:22 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: sarcasm
"Money sent back to Mexico by immigrants — legal and illegal — accounts for a significant portion of Mexico's gross domestic product."

You hear that America? It's not helping the US economy when it costs the taxpayers billions to subsidize this 'cheap' labor and they send the rest home to MEXICO. Get on your homeboys and scream about this issue pronto.

4 posted on 11/25/2002 1:09:07 AM PST by brat
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To: sarcasm
The Stein Report
Center for Immigration Studies
Numbers USA
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform
"Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt"

5 posted on 11/25/2002 1:18:56 AM PST by Cindy
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"It was never defined as amnesty for illegals so much as moving back to legalized work programs,"

Yeh, and it depends on what is is. It is no more than political dipsy-doodle, side-step. A rose by any other name...Clinton was excellent at hoodwinking, and this action is nothing more than hoodwinking, too--not restricted to a political party but politics as usual.
6 posted on 11/25/2002 1:43:53 AM PST by TomGuy
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With 70% of the people supporting closing the sieve we call borders, I think GW better heed the message. If we have even a minor act of terrorism discovered with the infiltration linked to crossing the border, the political back-lash will be enormous. Illegal immigration is a festering sore that needs to be attended to.
8 posted on 11/25/2002 3:18:17 AM PST by meenie
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To: sarcasm
The typical political spin by these pro-Bush governors makes it sound like the rank and file are completely against immigration. There is a big difference between controlled LEGAL immigration and TRESPASSING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The people know the difference but the politicians don't want to acknowledge it.

Pandering to illegal immigrants hoping to woo legal Hispanic voters implies that legal Hispanic residents or citizens put their ethnic ties to the trespassers above obeying immigration law. That is a terrible insult to law-abiding Hispanics and the worst kind of race pandering. Legal Hispanic immigrants went to a lot of trouble to come to the United States. Why would they think it is perfectly OK for others to break the laws they obeyed?

9 posted on 11/25/2002 3:40:46 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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10 posted on 11/25/2002 4:33:42 AM PST by madfly
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11 posted on 11/25/2002 4:38:01 AM PST by madfly
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To: sarcasm
All illegals should be rounded up, charged, placed in jail, tried and then, if convicted, be held for 6 months in prison and then deported. I will vote against any politician that votes for an amnesty. Have we learned nothing since 9/11?
12 posted on 11/25/2002 4:55:30 AM PST by zx2dragon
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The businesses get the cheap labor and the government gets to take your taxdollars to pay for social costs, how could the government possibly oppose this.
13 posted on 11/25/2002 5:04:58 AM PST by steve50
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To: zx2dragon
I've been doing a lot of thinking about the illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems.

This just might be a solution. See if you like it.

Educate a couple of hundred young energetic people to an idea like this one who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than Diversity is.

Then these people would need to go face to face with the residents of a small populated rural county and explain how it would work and benefit their them, their kids, and their grandkids.

Get the county population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally we would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...the local attorneys or judges have kids and grandkids too.

Getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it, is another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they would spread their idea amongst the citizens of the County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions. If we could get the Sheriff and local County officials of a lesser populated County with a budget deficit and abnormal high taxes to declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30,60 or 90 days.

All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget official for expenses.

All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. (I think there is a federal law forbidding this, not sure. ) This keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.

The hiring of non citizens that have entered the US legally with the assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines. These people have already broken many laws.

Perhaps ads could be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station and local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in the County.

All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. This would include illegal aliens who are family members.

This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money again instead of heading into bankruptcy. Just imagine what the result would be if prices dropped!

This will bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for the local budget.

School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English.

Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with a similar budget deficit. Do you think it might prompt them to do a similar actions? Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens?

I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in their community.

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For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.

The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.

Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997

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The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws doesn't mean he isn't.

Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 for supporting open border policy. Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.

Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it again reached an acceptable level.

Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about their city council needing money for some public service. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land, that's why I am promoting a rural County.

I imagine that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.

I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling, so caution would be advised on initiating it in a city. Vandalism and riots would probably occur, so the Governor would need to be ready with the State National Guard Units.

This would be dangerous because it would foster hate and anger. Too much of that would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this would be worse. So, it would have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county! Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. So eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.

If we tried to let the Feds handle it, they would fiddle fart around like they been doing and the problem would never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self determined big shots in the Federal Legislative and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves. Imagine if our citizens brought a halt to Agenda 21, that would set the United Nations on its rear end!!

The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.

Notice the direction of travel in this definition.


\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.*

Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!

If you think this might some friends to see what they think of it.

Why not email friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.

14 posted on 11/25/2002 5:14:09 AM PST by B4Ranch
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"Pandering I think is an inappropriate term," Mr. Ehrlich said. "The president believes in his heart we are a nation of immigrants and we have to be fair. We are the land of opportunity.

Did you catch this shift? Mr. Elrich never did say why he thinks that pandering is an inappropriate term. (It all depends on what pandering is, of course.) I would really like to know how Mr. Ehrlich is defining pandering.

And then....abbacadabra....he moves unto the "we are a nation of immigrants" spiel. Well, Mr. Ehrlich, we are a nation of legal immigrants who followed a complex process and had to meet a lot of qualifications to become residents, then citizens. They met a need for the country to grow by filling farming, industrial, and other jobs. They learned English and did not whine for special treatment or to change the laws of a country where they were not citizens. They came here because they believed in American ideals, laws, and cultural values. They maintained their own cultural traditions while their children and grandchildren became more American.

These needs no longer exist. There are a lot of Americans on one end of the spectrum who find their high paying jobs filled by cheaper workers from other countries. On the other end of the spectrum, many cannot get full time work with decent wages and benefits because of the availability of part time and/or under-the-table workers from other countries.

So, please stop pandering US citizens with these stupid non-sequitors. And, yes, I know what pandering is!

(End of rant)

15 posted on 11/25/2002 5:31:27 AM PST by grania
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To: B4Ranch
American patriotism over diversity now there is a hell of a concept. I'll bet the suits at the RNC are sneering at that anachronism thinking out loud amongst themselves that they will never make the "respectable" stupidvision shows if they actually advocated American patriotism over the new god "diversity." Conservatives have an enemy and it is these type of empty suits who parody the Left while pretending to be Right.
16 posted on 11/25/2002 5:38:22 AM PST by junta
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17 posted on 11/25/2002 5:43:38 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: sarcasm
I am planning to encourage my dog to cross into my neighbor's property. A couple of years from now, if the dog makes a corner of my neighbor's land his own... who knows, maybe we get a title issued for some of his land.

And, why not? My dog is a good dog and, by simply being there, he keeps the deer off my neighbor's bushes.

18 posted on 11/25/2002 5:51:19 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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My cats presently control approximately one-quarter of the block.

The only thing they send home to me are dead birds and an occasional field mouse or gopher.

But I'm working on the legal claims, so far I've identified a nice Gazebo, big screen TV, and a '52 Chevy.

(humor off...NO AMNESTY!)
19 posted on 11/25/2002 6:48:03 AM PST by norton
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It's only fair to add that, like our president's chums from del sud, the cats tend to leave crap lying about other people's property.

Unlike Mr Fox, I tend to apologize for it and clean up where I can.
20 posted on 11/25/2002 6:50:56 AM PST by norton
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