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LITTLE WHITE LIES (Administration tells about Islam)
Chronicles Magazine ^ | November 22, 2002 | Thomas Fleming

Posted on 11/24/2002 7:38:43 PM PST by Keyes For President

"From the mountains of Afghanistan to the valleys of Bosnia to the plains of Africa to the forests of Asia and around the world we are on the ground working with our Muslim partners to expand to the circle of peace, the circle of prosperity, the circle of freedom." Secretary of State Colin Powell, in pronouncing these glorious phrases (we hope he did not actually break precedent and write them himself) sounded like a Fourth of July orator invoking the rock-bound cliffs of Maine and the sunny shores of California.

Secretary Powell is apparently unaware that there are forests in Africa and plains in Asia, but the myopia is pardonable when you are running circles around the rest of the world. What the secretary would prefer not to bring up is the fact that in both Africa and Asia Muslims, many of them funded by "pro-Western" governments and oil sheiks, are engaged in a genocidal massacre of Christians. Presumably the genocide in Nigeria and the Sudan is not the partnership Secretary Powell envisions, presumably the Islamic terrorism in Indonesia and the Philippines is somewhat outside the circle. In Bosnia, where the United States supported an Islamic that wanted to impose Islamic law on a Christian majority, one of our Muslim partners was none other than Osama bin Laden.

Not content with repeating the palpable absurdities that are the staple of the multiculturalist left--a critic of the administration would use harsher language--Powell went on to describe plans to bring more Muslims into the United States and to excoriate those who sing "the siren song of the bigots, extremists who cloak themselves in false spirituality in an attempt to divide and to weaken us." Whether he was talking about Osama bin Laden or Pat Robertson (guilty recently of hinting that Islam may not be entirely a religion of peace), was not entirely clear upon the first reading of the AP report of Powell's address to a group of Muslim leaders. But if by "bigots and extremists," Powell means Muslims who claim religious support for terrorism against Christians, then he should have named the man who introduced this belief into Islamic thought: Muhammad himself.

We all know that the Bush administration is caught between a rock and a hard place. They are going to war against a country full of Muslims (Iraq), supporting what may be Bibi Netanyahu's quest for a final solution of the Palestinian problem, while still wanting to make nice with oil-rich states we pretend to believe are "moderate." There is nothing moderate, from the Christian point of view, about Saudi Arabia, which forbids Christian symbols and preaching the gospel and funds anti-Christian Islamic movements around the globe. Saudi Arabia spawned Osama bin Laden--and the Saudi millionaires who continue, according to reports, to support him.

Pat Robertson has the issue right. He knows that Islam, despite the existence of millions of "bad" Muslims who reject some of the fundamental tenets of their faith, is a religion of war not peace, that any country with a sizable population of even bad Muslims contains a ticking time bomb, ready to go off in hard times when confused people begin looking for their spiritual roots. When Christians find their roots, they find the Prince of Peace. When Muslims rediscover theirs, it is Muhammad the terrorist.

I wish no ill to Muslims, either as human beings or as adherents of a religion I reject. I would like to leave Muslims alone, in exchange for being left alone. I do not support, at this point, the planned invasion of Iraq, and I agree with the many patriotic Israelis who realize that Sharon and Netanyahu, egged on by their supporters in the United States, may well bring about the total destruction of Israel. I cannot, however, swallow the lie that Islam, as a religion, is compatible with our Western way of life or that global terrorism is not a legitimate expression of authentic Islam.

So long as America's political leaders continue to treat the people as children, so long as they continue to misrepresent the most basic facts of the life-and-death struggle confronting America and the West, our foreign policy will be confused and dangerous, and our control of our own borders and destiny will become more tenuous with every passing day.

Telling fairy tales about a nonexistent partnership with terrorists in order to justify the importation of more Muslims may seem, to State Department staffers and gofers, like a brilliant move. In the short run it might bump President Bush from being, at the moment, the most popular Republican in the century-and-a-half history of his party to being the most popular Republican who will ever live. But in telling their little white lies, they are playing with fire, as many a parent has learned after lying to his children. When the time comes to ask the American people to defend their borders and their interest from a global jihad, these lies will inevitably come back to haunt them.

P.S. Our Muslim Partners Expand the Circle

Nigeria is in "the forests of Africa," where Colin Powell says our Muslim partners are "expanding the circle of peace." The past few days, however, our Muslim partners in Kaduna (a large town in northern Nigeria), have not been listening to Secretary Powell's speeches: They were too busy killing Christians and burning their churches.

The trouble started when a newspaperman, knowing the Prophet's eye for beauty, suggested that Mohammed himself would have approved of the Miss World Contest. To protest this affront, Muslims (no, not radical Islamicists, but Muslims) first burned down the newspaper and then went on a killing spree that left more than 100 people dead and 500 injured. Some of the victims--all or mostly Christians, so far as we can tell--had been stabbed first and then set on fire. According to the AP story, "hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tires and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city." Although it is now that Muslims started the riot and destroyed at least four churches, a later AP story, published in the Washington Post, preferred to give the impression that Christians were to blame for the violence: "In neighborhoods dominated by minority Christians...youths smashed windows and set fires in mosques used by the ethnic Hausa and Fulani Muslims who dominate Kaduna."

Kaduna, though the majority of the population is Muslim, has a sizeable Christian minority. Of course, Christian and pagan Nigerians have fought back against the Muslims' violence, but what Western reporters like to call a civil war or ethnic conflict in northern Nigeria is nothing less than an ongoing genocide. The next time Colin Powell is chatting it up with our Muslim partners, he might ask them about the millions and millions of dollars they have poured into Africa for the sole purpose of exterminating Christianity--and, of course Christians--on that continent.

On the same day Nigerian Muslims were crying "down with beauty," another peaceful Muslim was taken into custody in Indonesia on the charge of plotting the terror-bombing in Bali that claimed 200 victims, and still another peaceful Muslim (Palestinian, this time) tried to blow up a busload of schoolchildren, and still another Palestinian Muslim in nearby Lebanon murdered an American Christian whose sole crime was preaching the Christian gospel of peace.

This has not been an unusual week. Every day around the globe committed Muslims are murdering and massacring Christians, and yet American politicians go on pretending that these criminals are merely a handful of extremists. Only this September, Antony Sullivan--longtime whitewasher of Islamic aggression--called upon President Bush to remove "Sudan from the list of terrorist-sponsoring states, though Dr. Sullivan knows full well that the Sudanese regime has refused to end the orgy of terrorism and violence directed at is own Christian population.

In repeating the mantra that "Islam is a religion of peace," our leaders are acting like children who protect themselves from the bogeymen by pulling the covers up over their heads--except in this case, the bogeymen are real.


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To: A.J.Armitage
And then there is this........

According to the article, Bill McVeign, the man whose 33-year-old son was the first federal prisoner to be executed in almost 40 years harbored no hard feelings toward the U. S. government. Indeed, the elder McVeigh had a glimmer of hope his only son, who had been baptized a Catholic, met with a Catholic priest a couple of hours before his death to receive the Anointing of the Sick.

That's the sacrament of forgiveness and healing given to Catholics on their death beds. Or in this case, prior to execution.

"I was happy to hear that," McVeigh told the New York newspaper. "It's good. Timmy seemed to put religion on the back burner, but in the last few hours, maybe it hit him."......

As I interpreted Tuesday's Buffalo News story, McVeigh the stone cold killer cracked. The hard case who stole from the William Ernest Henley poem "Invictus" for his last words ("I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul") apparently wasn't as tough as he let on.

That "captain" jazz may work as an inscription in a high school yearbook. But it doesn't cut it in the waiting room for the death chamber. McVeigh, the man viewed as evil incarnate, had only one reason to see a priest and receive Last Rites: He wanted to get right with God before he checked out.


221 posted on 11/25/2002 6:05:40 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
For the sake of argument, I'll grant EVERYTHING that can reasonably be granted. He was raised a Catholic, and reverted to his childhood religion just before his execution. I still blew Gonzalez out of the water.

He was not a Catholic, or any other type of Christian, when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma, or for some time afterwards. He was a self-described agnostic.

Gonzalez still needs to retract.

Oh, I almost forgot, let's have a look at what you left out:

Such matter-of-fact coldness sent shivers up spines. So did his sneering agnosticism. He wrote that if he was wrong and there was an afterlife, he would "improvise, adapt and overcome" like a good little soldier. "If I am going to hell," he added, "I'm going to have a lot of company."

The former decorated Persian Gulf War veteran, government-hater, homegrown terrorist and mass murderer was unrepentent to the end.

Almost.

McVeigh was an agnostic terrorist. Whether he later became a Christian inmate is beside the point. Anyone who calls him a Christian terrorist is either ignorant, or lying. That's really all there is to it.

222 posted on 11/25/2002 6:20:47 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
And to a Muslim, the difference between McVeigh and a Christian is........?
223 posted on 11/25/2002 6:37:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Monty22
The sources are out there. There are not 2 billion islamics, not even close.

And if there were, who cares.. Evil is evil, no matter the number of believers.

And 2 billion blind, deceived and Muslims living in spiritual darkness are losers because they have believed a lie. They can put all their faith and might behind it and they will still end up losing.
The virtue in having faith lies in the validity of what you beleive in. Not how many suicide bombers you can send to defend it. 2 million Muslims are weaker than 1 Christian and the true and Living God.

224 posted on 11/25/2002 6:38:33 PM PST by Jorge
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To: A.J.Armitage
A Christian at the start of his life, and prayers and Catholic absolution at the end.

Christians do not have to be perfect all their lives, they just have to seek forgiveness.

Do yo know what was in McVeigh's heart when he prayed?

One last thing...

"If I am going to hell"

To acknowledge the presence of Hell, is to admit to the existance of Heaven.

225 posted on 11/25/2002 6:41:40 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Keyes For President
The fallacy "Islam is about peace" ignores the fact it is the peace of an oppressed and controlled following. As opposed to the peace of Chrisitanity, which is unity in Christ's love.

I'm all for converting Muslims to Christianity.
226 posted on 11/25/2002 6:42:02 PM PST by lds23
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To: deport
"He wanted to get right with God before he checked out."

Exactly.

It's important for some to demagogue any subject, you can see that here in FR over, and over again.

Right now, having conceeded the fact that their figures on the number of Muslims in the world have been shown to be wrong, they now have a need to somehow "protect Christianity" by denying that a Tim McVeigh could actually have been a Christian.

Some "Christians" are no different from the Mulsims they hate.

Two sides of the same coin.

227 posted on 11/25/2002 6:47:04 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Keyes For President
"Islam is at the root of the problem."

Make that Islamic fundamentalists are at the root of the problem.

228 posted on 11/25/2002 6:49:28 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And to a Muslim, the difference between McVeigh and a Christian is........?

If they believe the dedication to one's faith is how many innocent men, women and children you can massacre, I wouldn't expect them to know the difference between McVeigh and a Christian or Buddha or Anna Nicole and Mother Theresa.
What can we expect from people who live in such spiritual darkness?

230 posted on 11/25/2002 6:49:53 PM PST by Jorge
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To: A.J.Armitage
"He was not a Catholic, or any other type of Christian, when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma, or for some time afterwards."

Oh, I see, that's your rationale for this?

He was Baptized into the Church sir. What do you think that means?

231 posted on 11/25/2002 6:52:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
1) You have demonstrated your lack of honesty by not retracting.

2) You're (falsely) attributing a crude racial reductionism to Muslims, when one of the multi-cultural wonders of Islam we're always hearing about is their "respect" for "people of the book". If you look at the history, the difference is instead of killing Jews and Christians, they subjugated them. But they know the difference between Christians and non-Christians of the same race; there are Christian Arabs!

3) Since you yourself called McVeigh a Christian (instead of starting out with guesses about what Muslims think), the crude racial reductionism, that white Americans automatically count as Christians, is actually yours.

232 posted on 11/25/2002 6:52:46 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm not going to argue his relationship with God his Saviour as that is between McVeigh and God. I certainly don't know what was in his heart at the end and I'd guess neither do the self professed.
233 posted on 11/25/2002 6:53:04 PM PST by deport
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To: Jorge
There are about ten million Muslims in the US. If everything that is said about them is true, they should have been causing a lot more trouble than they have been all these years.
235 posted on 11/25/2002 6:53:52 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: CWOJackson
I think that history will bear me out on this. All of Islam was Christian to begin with. In fact, the crusades were initiated to stop the slaughter of Christians by the Moslems and the enroachment of Islam into Europe.

The Moors were Moslem and had nearly conquered all of Spain and Portugal until Isabella and Ferdinand drove them out, finally. But, not after centuries of atrocities committed by Moslems against Christians and Jews and any other religion that was in their way.

236 posted on 11/25/2002 6:54:51 PM PST by Parmy
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To: B-Chan
Thank you for saying what I have been thinking for a long time. This is a HOLY war started by the Muslims. I voted for G.W. but I am getting tired of the stands we have been taking of late. We need to stop immigration right now. All of it if possible. We need to control our borders, not grant amnisty.

Once in office it seems politicians use their office in order to KEEP themselves in office.
238 posted on 11/25/2002 7:01:43 PM PST by South Texas Lady
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To: A.J.Armitage
"1) You have demonstrated your lack of honesty by not retracting."

I have yet to see anything that would convince me that McVeigh was anything but a Christian. He sought God's forgiveness prior to his execution. Being Baptized into the Holy Church makes him a Christian, it isn't a reversible thing...unless you are excommunicated. A good Christian he wasn't, not even a practicing one, but he accepted the Sacrament before being executed...the act of a Christian.

Your second point is too long to post, so I will just answer it by saying "what in the hell are you mumbling about?"

"...the crude racial reductionism, that white Americans automatically count as Christians, is actually yours."

Wanna bet?

Do you think that the next time that Islamic terrorists strike a bunch of Americans, they will ask first who are the Christians in the group, and who are not?

Hardly.

That's my exact point, all westeners are "infidels", any white American will be a minion of "The Great Satan", and atheists will be put to death just like Christians if ever Islamic troops invade the US.

239 posted on 11/25/2002 7:02:47 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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