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''Race matters in America,''

DUHHHHH! Of course is matters, the issue is whether excuses need to be made on the basis of race; or despite race, we are all Americans.

1 posted on 11/22/2002 7:25:25 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"Race matters in America,"

I know one thing -- it sure matters to liberals.

2 posted on 11/22/2002 7:30:13 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
How insulting. This person has obviously never even spoken with a black conservative before and is astounded to find they aren't just white people with black make-up on.
3 posted on 11/22/2002 7:30:32 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: mhking
For your perusal and ping lists
4 posted on 11/22/2002 7:33:59 PM PST by Cacique
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
While the United States has made tremendous progress on race, it still has a long way to go.

Horsebleep. Since 1964, it has been a federal crime for a white-owned restaurant not to serve a black person. In the old days, forcing someone to work for someone else was called slavery. Today, it's called a civil right.

5 posted on 11/22/2002 7:36:54 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I know she is right, but I hate the why the left will interpret what she said, or how left wing black leaders might say "SEE!! she affirms what we have been saying".

I think she could have done better to perhaps elaborate a little more. No person can deny their physical, or mental, state. They can live with it and be proud of it or agonize over it and blame someone else. I believe Dr. Rice was stating the obvious about how we all should feel about ourselves.

ya gotta love this lady.
6 posted on 11/22/2002 7:45:54 PM PST by mike_9958
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Where's the barf alert? Condi Rice is where she is today because of hard work, and character. Race has nothing to do with it! The writer is so eager to recall Goldwater... what about recalling Senator Byrd - the only member of Congress to have been a member of the KKK?
7 posted on 11/22/2002 7:46:16 PM PST by Notforprophet
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Actually, I think the most important "race-matters" point is what Charlton Heston uttered to Michael Moore on his recent guns documentary "Bowling for Columbine". That Americans support widespread gun ownership and the cause of gun violence is because we have "mixed ethnicity".

Call it the truth that no one dares to utter, but everyone believes. Its amazing the hypocrisy this produces on the part of the loud chorus crying out "Me? Racist?"

For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in?

And please don't play us for the fool. If you really think in non-Racist ways, lets see your actions. Go buy a house in a mixed race neighborhood.

9 posted on 11/22/2002 8:00:47 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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I guess this columnist forgot that Rice (and, likewise, Colin Powell) aren't really black. Just like Larry Bird's not white - that's just what "they" want you to believe.
12 posted on 11/22/2002 8:08:24 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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This is an absurdity. Dr. Rice's comments have little to nothing to do with the point the author is trying to make in the article. Her comments shouldn't even be included.
13 posted on 11/22/2002 8:11:51 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
For the record, Rice didn't stutter or backtrack at the end of her interview with the Trotter Group. Instead, she did something that black conservatives aren't known for: She publicly acknowledged the reality and validity of the race question.

Since when don't "black conservatives"" publicly acknowledged the reality and validity of the race question."?

They just deny the liberal approach that blacks need entitlements and handouts to make it in the world...all of which ultimately consign them to a permanent underclass status.

Conservatives believe that treating blacks as equals and encouraging them to realize their potential as equals doesn't ignore the race question but is the best approach to overcoming racism and this victimology/poor me mind-set. Go Condi!

25 posted on 11/22/2002 9:11:02 PM PST by Jorge
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To put it all in perspective, if you go to some of the "RAT left wing boards" and lurk, they use more racial terms then I've ever personally seen here at free republic. They use racial terms against anyone who is black and even has moderate feeling or non-negativity. Its hatred is so clearly racial its frightining. The DU'ers have such rage against african americans if they don't follow lock and step. I honestly believe that a liberal would discriminate against a black conservative for a job, if a white applicant, regardless of party affiliation applied. I've known liberals who seem to have the KKK belief of blacks without the hatred. Liberals leftwingers look at minorities and they don't see people of different skin color, they see inferior or mentally retarded people. I know liberals who use every single politically correct word to say that, without coming out and saying its what they think. Examples are the defense of affirmative action with the "well whites will always be okay, if they miss out on a job or a school or whatever, they will still overcome, and be successfull, but if an african american doesn't have something to help them, they can't make it". That type of thinking clearly shows what liberals believe. You'd be shocked at how racists some liberals are, I'm from NYC and I saw in a recent election with the democrats and the subtle implications (fernando ferrer and Mark green, dem primary, and then again, Carl McCall and Andrew Cuomo).
35 posted on 11/22/2002 9:33:46 PM PST by Sonny M
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bump
47 posted on 11/22/2002 10:11:32 PM PST by foreverfree
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Black conservatives that I have read have never discounted the issue of race. But they count it as one of many issues instead of the pivotal issue of the black experience.
67 posted on 11/22/2002 10:41:02 PM PST by mlmr
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She wasn't supposed to say that. Not in a White House peopled with conservative Republicans. Not to a group of black columnists representing major newspapers from around the country. Not in the Roosevelt Room. ''Race matters in America,'' Rice said. ''It has, it always has. Maybe there will be a day when it doesn't, but I suspect that it will for a long time to come.''

What the h**l is this columnist talking about? Why isn't "Rice" "supposed" to say that? I agree that race "matters" in America, and that it always has, and that it will for a long time to come. And I'm a conservative. Where's the contradiction? The columnist thinks there's a contradiction but doesn't say why. Perhaps because he's a biased idiot.

Instead, she did something that black conservatives aren't known for: She publicly acknowledged the reality and validity of the race question.

More bulls**t. Since when aren't black conservatives "known for" acknowledging the reality of race? (Never mind "the race question", I have no idea WTF "the race question" is....)

She didn't say that Bush would apologize for the U.S. government's role in the slave trade.

Didn't Clinton already do that anyway? So, water under the bridge.

But Rice did increase her credibility with us by affirming ....

Who's "us"? Idiotic, ignorant colunists? Rice's credibility was already sky-high with me.

Black conservatives, take note: It's OK to admit that race is still a problem in this country. You don't have to sink into denial. The sky won't fall down. The ground won't swallow you up.

Condescending columnists, take note: writing ignorant crap like this only makes you sound stupid.

These Republicans were so hostile toward blacks that Hall-of-Famer and convention attendee Jackie Robinson said: ''I now believe I know how it felt to be a Jew in Hitler's Germany.''

Oh, and if Jackie Robinson said this, then it necessarily must have been an accurate reflection of reality. The fact that Jackie Robinson (a famous baseball player) made this quote proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that being black in America in 1964 was just like being a Jew in Hitler's Germany.

After all, he was a ballplayer.

At least we can take comfort in knowing that the Bush administration, whatever it's other faults may be, doesn't buy into the lies that have blocked qualified blacks from serving at the highest levels of government.

Yeah, like the lies that almost blocked Clarence Thomas from serving in the Supreme Court, for example. (Oh, I suspect the columnist wasn't talking about that qualified black.)

And so under Teddy Roosevelt's watchful, if skeptical gaze,

I still don't even get this guy's original point, why would Teddy be "skeptical"? He's really reaching to try to find irony where there is none.

94 posted on 11/22/2002 11:21:27 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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115 posted on 11/23/2002 4:25:54 AM PST by mhking
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But Rice did increase her credibility

Isn't is a give-away? An incredible, accomplished human being who happens to be a woman and of dark complexion, is first assumed to be a traitor, just because her life is based on universal ideals and focused on something other than bashing whites. That is the starting point. Thenceforward, she has to prove herself and now she has done so. Never mind her academic acheivements, multiplicity of talents, leadership qualities she shows in the White House --- now she jas increased her cridibility.

In this slip of the pen, the author shows that he is a looser that hides his envy behind a patronizing attitude. People like Rice will soon eclipse those like this author.

120 posted on 11/23/2002 6:31:23 AM PST by TopQuark
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I agree. Race is a problem. Blacks are 11 times more likely to murder whites as vice versa. Blacks are twice is likely to commit violent hate crimes against whites as vice versa. Huh? You're going to tell me that a few blacks getting bad service at Denny's compares to the systematic murder of white americans at the hands of black racists?

Race matters, it matters because every day people are murdered because of the color of their skin. When blacks stop murdering whites disproportionately, then we can sit down and work on issues like service at restaurants.

Talk about priorities.

123 posted on 11/23/2002 7:28:12 AM PST by Godel
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When blacks stop being 11 times more likely to ROB, RAPE, or MUDER white americans, then white americans will stop JUSTIFIABLY treating blacks with suspicion.

If you knew a certain brand of car was 11 times more likely to kill you, would you drive in it if you had ANY other options?

I suppose the DOJ is racist.

124 posted on 11/23/2002 7:29:34 AM PST by Godel
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Race absolutely matters in America, Unfortunately, it matters more to those on the left, and specifically, those of color on the left, than to anyone else. Or more than anyTHING else. That is not healthy or helpful.
137 posted on 11/23/2002 9:31:40 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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You know what? I'm tired of race mattering.
139 posted on 11/23/2002 9:48:03 AM PST by WaterDragon
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