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How The United States Ended. Not With A Bang, Not With A Whimper, But With A Subpoena .
Submitted for Wash Times op Ed | MB26

Posted on 11/22/2002 10:47:39 AM PST by MindBender26

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To: ToryNotion
Zank Yew So Vary Vary Moosh
21 posted on 11/22/2002 11:20:02 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Sorry for RPT. Computer Operator FUBAR
22 posted on 11/22/2002 11:21:02 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: umgud
Only in my WASP dreams.
23 posted on 11/22/2002 11:22:21 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Excellent post!! I am an attorney (estates & trusts, prenuptial agreement, taxes, contracts - inoffensive things like that), and I have long contended that many in my profession are the greatest leeches in history. Like unions, ambulance chasers and class action lawyers do serve a purpose, but things have gone too far. Tort reform is absolutely critical, as are real and severe penalties (on both attorneys and plaintiffs) for bringing frivolous lawsuits. We finally have a shot at tort reform under Bush and a Republican Congress, but I'm not holding my breath. As to penalties on lawyers, this is mostly done by state bar associations that are chock full of (blood-sucking) lawyers, so don't hold your breath on this score either. Another possible solution is to make the losing plaintiff pay the winning defendant's legal bills. Do this and you'll see these suits diminish to a small fraction of their current number.

Everything in this country costs more due to the threat of lawsuits, and many good things that we grew up with are gone forever for the same reason. This is one lawyer who agrees with Shakespeare about first killing all the lawyers (well, mostly - let's confine it to 90% of the tort and class-action folks, and see if the lesson takes).
24 posted on 11/22/2002 11:31:11 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: MindBender26
"They do it after dark?"

Thanks for posting this. It is always encouraging to know that there are others out there who understand what is happening to this country.

The Safety Nazis are stealing our freedom, and the Lawyers are stealing our prosperity. If they are allowed their way, America will become a 3rd world country, and Americans will become slaves to their gov't.

25 posted on 11/22/2002 11:43:52 AM PST by monday
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To: MindBender26
The class-action Tobacco Settlement is another infamous example. It was supposed to pay for health care for people injured by smoking.

Actually it was a bigger lie than that. The state suits were to "reimburse" taxpayers for the costs states incurred for smoking related illness.

Did anyone get a tax rebate from their state after the states and trial vultures split up the billions of cash? I didn't.

26 posted on 11/22/2002 11:54:31 AM PST by Ditto
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To: ppaul
As I have said in the past, the current liberal/lawyer/activist mantra: "If you can't legislate, litigate."
27 posted on 11/22/2002 11:59:35 AM PST by stylin_geek
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To: MindBender26
This is simply the inevitable spillover from the growth of a problem of which Thomas Jefferson warned us over 220 years ago.

After watching the early madness of the French Revolution first-hand, he returned here and told friends that if the socialism then ravaging Europe ever came to our shores, two things would happen:
1. We would soon become a highly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get "OURS" from the public trough and
2.the public trough would quickly become empty.

We have largely emptied the public trough, burst through its rotted bottom and tussle in the mud and slime beneath as we thrash about wildly in search of a PRIVATE trough to plunder.

And it may be too late to turn this thing around.

Pray for our grandchildren. We're leaving them a MESS far worse than that we inherited from OUR parents and grandparents.

28 posted on 11/22/2002 12:39:45 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Ancesthntr
Excellent post!! I am an attorney

For a short, shameful part of my life I was a used-car salesman; I wasn't any good at it.

29 posted on 11/22/2002 12:53:48 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Dick Bachert
Thank you all for your posts.

I occasionally post a draft of a "write piece" or story on FR and usually get lots of constructive feedback. My appreciation to and of all of you ... or as JC says, "all yall."

'preciate the help.
30 posted on 11/22/2002 1:17:14 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Good luck getting your article accepted. It is a good piece.
If I were going to offer any advice or suggestion it would be to expand on the culpability and gullibility of juries. Our courts are not meant to be the mechanism to repair or heal hurt feelings.
31 posted on 11/22/2002 2:33:15 PM PST by thegreatbeast
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To: thegreatbeast
Precisely.

As an old comrade-in-arms, Red Beckman, often told us, the fight for freedom consists of FOUR BOXES:

The SOAP BOX;
The BALLOT BOX;
The JURY BOX (jury nullification);
and if these fail, we're left with the final box, the CARTRIDGE BOX.

Join me in praying that we NEVER (again) get to box four.

32 posted on 11/22/2002 2:38:33 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: ToryNotion
Want to hear MY version?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I hate them.
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I hate them
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I hate them;
Then they came for the Jews, and I shot them
Now the Jews and us capitalists are doing just fine.

The end.

33 posted on 11/22/2002 5:44:50 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Dick Bachert
We have largely emptied the public trough, burst through its rotted bottom and tussle in the mud and slime beneath as we thrash about wildly in search of a PRIVATE trough to plunder.

Aye-yi-yi-yi... you have a way with words....

34 posted on 11/22/2002 5:48:05 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Ancesthntr
Lawyers need to be very afraid of filing frivilous lawsuits.

The only thing they fear is death....

35 posted on 11/22/2002 6:17:14 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: A_perfect_lady
Thank you for the kind words. Please share those thoughts as the spirit moves you to do so. For the cheerrldren, of course.
37 posted on 11/22/2002 7:24:03 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: MindBender26
bump
38 posted on 11/22/2002 9:15:20 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: MindBender26
the dream of 231 years

Measured from 1776, shouldn't that be 226 years?

foreverfree

39 posted on 11/22/2002 9:18:05 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: machman
#17 evokes probably my favorite rock video ever. I liked it so much I rented the Dire Straits video mini collection TWICE, just to see it (in fact the other three on that tape ["Walk of Life," "So Far Away" and "Brothers in Arms"]) are great too. Gives me nostalgia for 1985. :-)

foreverfree

40 posted on 11/22/2002 9:27:34 PM PST by foreverfree
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