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Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 11/21/2002 | MIKE COCHRAN

Posted on 11/21/2002 10:52:30 PM PST by mlo







Posted on Thu, Nov. 21, 2002


Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery


Knight Ridder Newspapers

(KRT) - It was 39 years ago today, a Friday, in fact, that President John F. Kennedy was slain on the streets of Dallas.

For researchers such as Gary Mack, the echoes of gunfire in Dealey Plaza remain as haunting as ever.

Maybe more so.

"There's crazy stuff going on," Mack says. "It's so screwy, now, that there are people out there who are actually confessing to having a role in the crime.

"There are people who claim they were on the grassy knoll firing away."

It's little wonder then, Mack says, that polls conducted by Gallup and Zogby International over the years show that a vast majority of Americans believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy.

Mack, 56, is curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, located in the old Texas School Book Depository overlooking Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was fatally shot on Nov. 22, 1963.

For 27 years, Mack - with relentless curiosity, an academic's eye and an investigator's skepticism - has sought answers to the JFK mystery.

He joined the Sixth Floor Museum as an archivist in 1994. Founded by the Dallas County Historical Foundation and funded by visitor fees, the nonprofit museum is one of the most popular historic sites in North Texas with 450,000 visitors a year.

"My role as curator is to be able to put this story in context and to present it objectively and accurately," Mack says. "Whatever history records is what the museum exhibits eventually will include.

"The museum's role is to educate and inform its visitors in a way that does not push any one point of view or any particular theory."

But one widely known conspiracy theorist sings Mack's praises.

"Gary is an excellent researcher," says Jim Marrs, whose book "Crossfire" was the basis in part for Oliver Stone's controversial movie, "JFK." Today, Marrs teaches a class on the assassination at UT-Arlington.

Says Mack, with a humorless laugh, "The important thing is President Kennedy's life and legacy ... but Oliver Stone's movie is what most people think of first."

It was in 1975 in Wichita, Kan., where he worked at a radio station, that Mack first saw Abraham Zapruder's film of the assassination.

"It changed my life," he says.

He's been hooked ever since.

"I don't know that (Lee Harvey) Oswald did anything that day, but I know the Warren Commission decided he killed President Kennedy," he says. "I know that the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the late seventies also said he killed President Kennedy, but that he had a second shooter working with him.

"So there are two official versions of history, and I don't know which one's right."

He's hardly alone.

Almost four decades later, after numerous books, movies, TV documentaries, independent investigative efforts, scattered "confessions" and two formal governmental investigations, including the Warren Commission in the 1960s, millions of Americans still ask:

"Who killed JFK?"

Mack believes that new information on the assassination still could surface.

"There were people in Dealey Plaza with cameras whose pictures have never been seen. Maybe one of those pictures will turn up and you can see the face of a guy who can answer some of the questions raised through the years," he says.

But, he adds, "I'm not even sure if the truth came out today that people would believe it."

Conflicting medical evidence, the location of the fatal head wound and the so-called "single-bullet theory"_ the Warren Commission's proposal that the same bullet killed Kennedy and struck Texas Gov. John Connally - are among the most familiar areas of dispute. But Mack says acoustical evidence - sound recordings from that day in Dealey Plaza - gathered in the late 1970s by the House Assassinations Committee offers the greatest potential of resolving the conspiracy puzzle.

In November 1994, when testifying before the Assassination Records Review Board, Mack stressed that the acoustics issue, "despite its difficulties," was far from dead.

He praised review board members for their efforts in obtaining the release of secret, JFK-related information and documents, then told them:

"I don't think (the information and documents) is going to tell us whether there was or was not a conspiracy to kill the president," he testified, "but the acoustics evidence can certainly do that."

Nothing has happened to change his mind, Mack says.

"Based on everything I know about this subject," he says, acoustics could provide a breakthrough.

"Unless there's something totally new out there that no one knows about, the acoustics evidence is the only hard evidence that has the potential to answer "the" question:

"How many shots were fired that day and where did they come from?"

The acoustics came from a motorcycle officer's radio microphone, which clicked on a few minutes before the assassination and may have inadvertently allowed the sound of the shots to be recorded by police dispatchers.

"Along with the motorcycle noise, you can hear some pops and clicks that may or may not be shots," Mack says. "The House Assassinations Committee found some acoustics experts to analyze the recordings ... and they concluded there were four shots. They could tell from the data that the third of the four came from the grassy knoll and the other three came from the window of the Texas School Book Depository.

"Because that information was so convincing, and the people who did the work were so well-respected in their fields, the committee concluded there was a conspiracy because there were two shooters."

Three years later, after a follow-up study, another group of scientists decided there were no shots on that recording.

Thus, Mack says, the potential key to a great puzzle remains in limbo because of the conflicting interpretations.

Marrs describes the dispute over the acoustics as part of the "continuing pattern of cover-up by obfuscation" of the assassination.

But Mack acknowledges that the intricacies of the acoustics evidence are difficult for the public to grasp and that the Assassination Committee's findings are not definitive and remain in dispute.

Of course, conspiracy theorists have said the same thing for years about the Warren Report, which concluded that Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.

" ... It seems to me, as one who's studied this long before the Sixth Floor Museum was ever dreamed of, that if there's some solid evidence out there, then reasonable efforts ought to be made to find the answer," Mack says.

The annual JFK "November in Dallas" research conference, which is open to the public, begins Friday at the Dallas Radisson and includes a keynote address by Texas researcher Don Thomas, who has conducted his own detailed study of "echo correlation" in Dealey Plaza.

Thomas' findings would tend to support Mack, who says:

"I personally believe the original acoustics study was correct, that there are shots on there and the original scientists came to the right conclusion.

"But I can't prove it either way."

Marrs, meanwhile, has labeled the assassination "one of the world's greatest murder mysteries" and argues that there were two conspiracies.

"One was the conspiracy to kill the president," he said during an appearance before the same Assassinations Records and Review Board that heard Mack in 1994.

"Who did it, who committed it, how many gunmen, from which trajectory, how many shots, we don't know," he said. "But the second conspiracy was the conspiracy to cover up the first conspiracy, and this one was not quite so successful."

Marrs insists that "officials high within the U.S. government committed acts designed not to find truthful answers but rather to hide the truth from the American public."

Mack is less cynical, and is concerned that many Americans formed their concept of the assassination from Stone's "JFK."

"What it's come down to now is, the Oliver Stone film has made it very easy for people to think they, too, can solve the crime of the century," he said.

History, he says, will probably record that the movie was one of the best and one of the worst things to happen to the Kennedy assassination story.

"The best thing about it is it made the subject legitimate again," he said. "Stone gave people a reason to reconsider."

On the other hand, Mack says, Stone based his story on a flawed theory.

"To read the Oliver Stone version of history, you get ... the opinion that nothing was investigated. Or what was investigated was not investigated properly. That's not true. They dug up a mountain of information, some of which is relevant."

Recalling that government investigators have collected millions of pages of assassination-related documents over the years, Mack poses this question:

"If there's just one guy, how come there's so many pages?"

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KEYWORDS: acoustics; conspiracy; jfk; kennedy; mack
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To: general_re

Maybe not 400 Billion People but even the Onion understood the silliness of it. One poster said that if all the enemies of the Kennedy's really did try to assassinate JFK that day, the place would have sounded like Omaha Beach on D-Day.

41 posted on 11/23/2002 8:20:25 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
One poster said that if all the enemies of the Kennedy's really did try to assassinate JFK that day, the place would have sounded like Omaha Beach on D-Day.

LOLOLOL - that's about the size of it :^)

42 posted on 11/23/2002 8:33:43 PM PST by general_re
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To: Flashlight
Since you're willing to understand the reports, let me say that there are several reasons to believe he was struck in the head from behind.

1. The Zapruder film shows more debris to the front than from the rear which is consistant with a bullet breaking more material loose and adding to the damage as it travels. JFK lost large pieces of skull bone at the front of his head. A large flap of skin can be seen at the front of his head. The autopsy report noted a hole at the back of his head slightly smaller than the caliber used which was explained as the elasticity of the skin.

2. Cratering of the bone which is like a bb shot into glass where the large opening is at the exit with the small hole at the entrance.

3. The trajectory in itself indicates that only a shot from the rear was possible since JFK's head was at a slight downward angle when hit.

4. The bullet broke into two separate pieces and both were found at the front seat. One of the fragments cracked the windshield from the inside. [I don't quite remember, but I believe the other hit the chrome strip at the top of the windsheld]



43 posted on 11/23/2002 8:37:50 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Flashlight

Compare this picture to the autopsy reports and the Zapuder film.

44 posted on 11/23/2002 8:48:17 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: general_re
I confess that I never really approached the subject with an open mind.

I actually believed a conspiracy DID probably occur. Until I began really reading up on it after the acoustics issue was raised again last year. My present position was not arrived at arbitrarily, or based on some predisposition.

45 posted on 11/23/2002 8:56:43 PM PST by mlo
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To: Flashlight
What you see doesn't look anything remotely possible that could be caused by "tightening back muscles". No way. It looks like something smacked him hard in the forehead.

Obviously there is some subjective interpretation of what one sees here, but even when I did believe a conspiracy existed, Kennedy's motion never looked to me like the result of a shot. It looked, and still does, like he is guy who gets shot and just falls back. That may be because I don't expect bodies to be thrown around by rifle shots in the first place.

46 posted on 11/23/2002 9:00:21 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
It generally always goes back to Oswald. And everything Oswald did that day...after the shooting...points to him as the guilty party. The only question is why. Oswald moved to Dallas apparently with the only purpose being to shoot Kennedy. Kennedy's route was advertised for several weeks ahead of time and Oswald was 'able' to get a job in the book dispository for his mission. The funny thing is that just a few days prior to the president's arrival, the Secret Service changed the route, and suddenly a day or two prior to the President...the local authority changed it back to the original route. And a fascinating subject....of all places, why did Oswald select the book dispository...he could have easily selected the street level...which would have been just as easy to escape from. As for the reasons why Oswald did it....the only thing we can possibly come up with is revenge for the Bay of Pigs episode.
47 posted on 11/23/2002 9:04:40 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: mlo
My present position was not arrived at arbitrarily, or based on some predisposition.

Precisely why your opinions are valuable. If you can walk in thinking that a conspiracy is likely, and walk out thinking that it's not likely at all, then the evidence must have been pretty compelling ;)

48 posted on 11/23/2002 9:17:04 PM PST by general_re
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To: mlo
"It must be wonderful to live in your tidy little world."


He is only speaking the truth. The "mystery" in this case was manufactured after the fact, by people with an agenda.
17 -mlo-

True to this degree.
The "people with an agenda" were the Warren Commission, & it's investigators. Their agenda? - Convict Oswald.
- They did their job, but not at all well, thus the controversy.

At this late date, the biggest mystery I now see about the event is why ~anyone~ would be so adamant that the government version be accepted as gospel.
Some of you 'Oswald as lone gunman' guys are becoming bigger FReaks about the issues than the conspiracy buffs.
49 posted on 11/23/2002 9:22:59 PM PST by tpaine
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To: pepsionice
I think it may have been just a target of opportunity. He tried to kill General Walker and failed. He didn't even look for the job at the Depository until someone mentioned it. The "someone" was either a neighbor at the house they were renting or a friend of his wife's.
50 posted on 11/23/2002 9:35:22 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: general_re
What started me on my research was FR and I was always told the shots were impossible. I went to the sixth floor Museum and couldn't believe what an easy shot it was. I then had to find out how many shots were made and that's when I looked at the trajectories and the interviews from the two men on the fifth floor.

I always tried to stay away from official conclusions and just read the interviews from the people who were there and study the photographs.

I never asked why Oswald did it but I watched "CSI Miami" and the sniper asked if the investigator wanted to know why he did it. The investigator answered, "You're evil, you enjoy death and I hope you enjoy your own". 'Nuff said.
51 posted on 11/23/2002 9:43:46 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
I went to the sixth floor Museum and couldn't believe what an easy shot it was.

That was a large part of what pushed me firmly over to one side. 88 yards. With the target moving almost directly away from you, meaning little or no motion across the FOV.

I don't claim to be a master sniper, but I've done enough target shooting in my life that I could make that shot. And Oswald had training in the Marines that I never did, so Oswald was surely a better shot than I. Therefore, Oswald shooting from the sixth floor is the most likely explanation.

He had the means and the opportunity. The only thing that's a bit sketchy is the motive. But, as you suggest, crazy people do crazy things. Asking why a lunatic does looney things is not a particularly fruitful line of inquiry ;)

52 posted on 11/23/2002 10:13:59 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
Beginning with the 'Report' where page after page, and entire complex arguments are developed to explain how these "easy" shots supposedy did all they ~had~ to do, --- then on to probably hundreds of thousands of words published on this very subject, most debunking the 'ease' of the shots, you fellas take one look out of a window, and are convinced. - Amazing.
I can agree though. -- Asking why a lunatic thinks looney things is not a particularly fruitful line of inquiry ;)
53 posted on 11/23/2002 10:46:48 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Hey, don't take my word for it - go see for yourself. Oswald's rifle had a 4x scope attached. If you're feeling ambitious when you go, take a pair of opera glasses or compact binoculars (which are usually in the 3x-4x range) and have a friend stand out on the Plaza at approximately the point where JFK was shot.

After all, that's what I did ;)

54 posted on 11/23/2002 11:03:39 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
I've been there.
-- The facts, -- as outlined in the 'Report', -- do not make it any "easy" series of shots. Exactly the opposite, as is evident by almost forty years of controversy.
55 posted on 11/23/2002 11:26:01 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
-- The facts, -- as outlined in the 'Report', -- do not make it any "easy" series of shots.

Please be more specific. What facts in the report?

56 posted on 11/23/2002 11:47:21 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
Read the report. It is full of explanations on timing, sequence, correlation to the Z film, medical effects, -- on & on. None of it adds up, as is well documented by hundreds of researchers.

We've went thru this all ad nausem on FR. - The government 'lone gunman' scenario is exactly that, one barely possible 'scene' among many.
57 posted on 11/24/2002 12:06:56 AM PST by tpaine
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"Okay, one more time. There is no mystery, and there is nothing to solve. Lee Harvey Oswald did it, from the sixth floor window, with a rifle. Can we go on the next round of Clue please? I understand there's a big controversy over who killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman."

Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't do the shooting. The man didn't have the ability to put lead on target in the fashion that the assassin of JFK did. It takes skill to kill with a Rifle. Lee Oswald did not possess that kind of skill. Take a look at his Military Marksmanship records. When you conclude that he didn't do the shooting, by definition you have a conspiracy or at least a cover up.

Semper Fi


58 posted on 11/24/2002 12:27:43 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: Leatherneck_MT
This is the facts of the shooting.

The target was in line with the shooter. The longest distance was 88 yards.

The time sequence showed Oswald had ample time for the first shot and it hit the outside curb approximately 25 feet from the overpass for an unknown reason. That shot started the clock. Oswald then had seven seconds to come out of recoil and then shoot two more shots.

The rifle was tested and shown to be able to fire those shots by the FBI and the NRA. The rifle fired a 161 grain bullet at 2000 feet per second. The recoil would not have been as harsh as a 30-06 and more in line with a 30-30.

Oswald's wife reported that he dry fired and worked the bolt late at night on numerous occasions. He also practiced at the Trinity River bottoms.

"The HSC, using nuetron-activation analysis, another technological advance not available to the Warren Commission, proved that bullet fragments from the Governor's body came from the Magic Bullet and no other." Texas Monthly November 98

Oswald's palm print was on the rifle.

No curtain rods were found anywhere in the Book Depository which means Oswald lied about what was in the paper wrap. Although the rifle was described as heavily oiled that doesn't mean it's exterior was oiled.

Oswald's work sheet showed he did no work that day. Nothing.

Several people saw Oswald shoot Kennedy from the window. One in particular, Howard Brennon, saw a man fire the fatal shot. His description of the killer was the one that went out on the police radio just 15 minutes after the killing. Two co-workers heard the three shots from the fifth floor and debris and dust fell on them from the rafters.

Oswald's marksmanship papers on his last qualification showed he barely passed. Weather conditions were not listed on the papers. Mechanical problems with his rifle were not listed.

Oswald missed with the first shot. His second shot was low. The third shot would have missed if it was two inches higher.

All three bullets or their fragments landed forward of the victims.


Added note: Oswald asked for a reconciliation with his wife and she refused. He left 170 dollars and his wedding ring on the dresser.
59 posted on 11/24/2002 7:22:27 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: mlo
Gee whiz mlo, spouting these talking points has become a full time job for you. What's it pay?

Kennedy's head makes a sudden jerk *forward* at frame 312. After the head shot he falls back. Saying he is "thrown violently, suddenly back" overstates the case. Hollywood movies give the impression people get thrown around by gunshots. In real life, a high velocity rifle shot is likely to simply pass through, imparting very little velocity to the victim.

Can't have it both ways. I've personally shot thousands of rounds of ammunition, and can't recall a single time where the item being hit moved toward the rifle. Kennedy's head was thrown violently BACKWARD (and to the left)as it was hit.

There is no medical or ballistic evidence at all for a shot from the front, or for any shot from a different weapon.

The HSCA said there was more than 3 shots; the scope from Oswald's rifle had to be adjusted before the re-enactment; the Parkland doctors and the morticians both reported a gaping hole in the BACK of his head; some X-rays show a blown out eye-orbit, while others don't, meanwhile, in the "stare of death" photo his face is intact; etc; etc; etc

Oswald was seen in the window with the weapon.

Actually. he was photographed in the doorway. The person seen in the window wasn't wearing the same shirt.

That rifle was found on the sixth floor with three empty cartridge cases. Oswald made a special trip to pick it up the night before and took it to work that day.

The package Oswald was seen carrying was reported as 2 feet in length. The rifle doesn't break down that small. Also, there was no traces of oil on the paper wrapping that the rifle was alledged to have been brought in, while the rifle did have oil on it.

A number of different expert panels have reviewed the medical evidence, begining with the autopsy crew and continuing on up through the HSCA investigation, and all have concluded that JFK was hit with two shots from above and behind.

Why don't you start with the Parkland staff? They ALL reported a gaping wound in the BACK of his head. Same for the morticians. Or maybe Secret Service agent Sam Kinney who was the driver of the follow up car. He said that there was brain matter all over his windshield and left arm.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't know what really happened. I do know that if I was the lone assassin and I was in the sixth floor of the TSBD, I would have pulled the trigger as the car was coming directly toward me, rather than waiting for it to be moving down and away from me. It would have only taken one shot, and would have left time for more. I also would have sighted in my rifle beforehand so the investigators wouldn't have had to.
60 posted on 11/24/2002 8:31:15 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper
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