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Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 11/21/2002 | MIKE COCHRAN

Posted on 11/21/2002 10:52:30 PM PST by mlo







Posted on Thu, Nov. 21, 2002


Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery


Knight Ridder Newspapers

(KRT) - It was 39 years ago today, a Friday, in fact, that President John F. Kennedy was slain on the streets of Dallas.

For researchers such as Gary Mack, the echoes of gunfire in Dealey Plaza remain as haunting as ever.

Maybe more so.

"There's crazy stuff going on," Mack says. "It's so screwy, now, that there are people out there who are actually confessing to having a role in the crime.

"There are people who claim they were on the grassy knoll firing away."

It's little wonder then, Mack says, that polls conducted by Gallup and Zogby International over the years show that a vast majority of Americans believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy.

Mack, 56, is curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, located in the old Texas School Book Depository overlooking Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was fatally shot on Nov. 22, 1963.

For 27 years, Mack - with relentless curiosity, an academic's eye and an investigator's skepticism - has sought answers to the JFK mystery.

He joined the Sixth Floor Museum as an archivist in 1994. Founded by the Dallas County Historical Foundation and funded by visitor fees, the nonprofit museum is one of the most popular historic sites in North Texas with 450,000 visitors a year.

"My role as curator is to be able to put this story in context and to present it objectively and accurately," Mack says. "Whatever history records is what the museum exhibits eventually will include.

"The museum's role is to educate and inform its visitors in a way that does not push any one point of view or any particular theory."

But one widely known conspiracy theorist sings Mack's praises.

"Gary is an excellent researcher," says Jim Marrs, whose book "Crossfire" was the basis in part for Oliver Stone's controversial movie, "JFK." Today, Marrs teaches a class on the assassination at UT-Arlington.

Says Mack, with a humorless laugh, "The important thing is President Kennedy's life and legacy ... but Oliver Stone's movie is what most people think of first."

It was in 1975 in Wichita, Kan., where he worked at a radio station, that Mack first saw Abraham Zapruder's film of the assassination.

"It changed my life," he says.

He's been hooked ever since.

"I don't know that (Lee Harvey) Oswald did anything that day, but I know the Warren Commission decided he killed President Kennedy," he says. "I know that the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the late seventies also said he killed President Kennedy, but that he had a second shooter working with him.

"So there are two official versions of history, and I don't know which one's right."

He's hardly alone.

Almost four decades later, after numerous books, movies, TV documentaries, independent investigative efforts, scattered "confessions" and two formal governmental investigations, including the Warren Commission in the 1960s, millions of Americans still ask:

"Who killed JFK?"

Mack believes that new information on the assassination still could surface.

"There were people in Dealey Plaza with cameras whose pictures have never been seen. Maybe one of those pictures will turn up and you can see the face of a guy who can answer some of the questions raised through the years," he says.

But, he adds, "I'm not even sure if the truth came out today that people would believe it."

Conflicting medical evidence, the location of the fatal head wound and the so-called "single-bullet theory"_ the Warren Commission's proposal that the same bullet killed Kennedy and struck Texas Gov. John Connally - are among the most familiar areas of dispute. But Mack says acoustical evidence - sound recordings from that day in Dealey Plaza - gathered in the late 1970s by the House Assassinations Committee offers the greatest potential of resolving the conspiracy puzzle.

In November 1994, when testifying before the Assassination Records Review Board, Mack stressed that the acoustics issue, "despite its difficulties," was far from dead.

He praised review board members for their efforts in obtaining the release of secret, JFK-related information and documents, then told them:

"I don't think (the information and documents) is going to tell us whether there was or was not a conspiracy to kill the president," he testified, "but the acoustics evidence can certainly do that."

Nothing has happened to change his mind, Mack says.

"Based on everything I know about this subject," he says, acoustics could provide a breakthrough.

"Unless there's something totally new out there that no one knows about, the acoustics evidence is the only hard evidence that has the potential to answer "the" question:

"How many shots were fired that day and where did they come from?"

The acoustics came from a motorcycle officer's radio microphone, which clicked on a few minutes before the assassination and may have inadvertently allowed the sound of the shots to be recorded by police dispatchers.

"Along with the motorcycle noise, you can hear some pops and clicks that may or may not be shots," Mack says. "The House Assassinations Committee found some acoustics experts to analyze the recordings ... and they concluded there were four shots. They could tell from the data that the third of the four came from the grassy knoll and the other three came from the window of the Texas School Book Depository.

"Because that information was so convincing, and the people who did the work were so well-respected in their fields, the committee concluded there was a conspiracy because there were two shooters."

Three years later, after a follow-up study, another group of scientists decided there were no shots on that recording.

Thus, Mack says, the potential key to a great puzzle remains in limbo because of the conflicting interpretations.

Marrs describes the dispute over the acoustics as part of the "continuing pattern of cover-up by obfuscation" of the assassination.

But Mack acknowledges that the intricacies of the acoustics evidence are difficult for the public to grasp and that the Assassination Committee's findings are not definitive and remain in dispute.

Of course, conspiracy theorists have said the same thing for years about the Warren Report, which concluded that Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.

" ... It seems to me, as one who's studied this long before the Sixth Floor Museum was ever dreamed of, that if there's some solid evidence out there, then reasonable efforts ought to be made to find the answer," Mack says.

The annual JFK "November in Dallas" research conference, which is open to the public, begins Friday at the Dallas Radisson and includes a keynote address by Texas researcher Don Thomas, who has conducted his own detailed study of "echo correlation" in Dealey Plaza.

Thomas' findings would tend to support Mack, who says:

"I personally believe the original acoustics study was correct, that there are shots on there and the original scientists came to the right conclusion.

"But I can't prove it either way."

Marrs, meanwhile, has labeled the assassination "one of the world's greatest murder mysteries" and argues that there were two conspiracies.

"One was the conspiracy to kill the president," he said during an appearance before the same Assassinations Records and Review Board that heard Mack in 1994.

"Who did it, who committed it, how many gunmen, from which trajectory, how many shots, we don't know," he said. "But the second conspiracy was the conspiracy to cover up the first conspiracy, and this one was not quite so successful."

Marrs insists that "officials high within the U.S. government committed acts designed not to find truthful answers but rather to hide the truth from the American public."

Mack is less cynical, and is concerned that many Americans formed their concept of the assassination from Stone's "JFK."

"What it's come down to now is, the Oliver Stone film has made it very easy for people to think they, too, can solve the crime of the century," he said.

History, he says, will probably record that the movie was one of the best and one of the worst things to happen to the Kennedy assassination story.

"The best thing about it is it made the subject legitimate again," he said. "Stone gave people a reason to reconsider."

On the other hand, Mack says, Stone based his story on a flawed theory.

"To read the Oliver Stone version of history, you get ... the opinion that nothing was investigated. Or what was investigated was not investigated properly. That's not true. They dug up a mountain of information, some of which is relevant."

Recalling that government investigators have collected millions of pages of assassination-related documents over the years, Mack poses this question:

"If there's just one guy, how come there's so many pages?"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acoustics; conspiracy; jfk; kennedy; mack
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To: Flashlight
Flash, mlo is related to jlo. There are plants out there whose primary goal in life is to quel any kind inquiry into matters such as this. Your response is well reasoned. mlo is not. It has to be his way or no way. Forget him.
21 posted on 11/23/2002 4:58:44 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Flashlight
I'm not so sure that nothing was seen from the grassy knoll. I've read reports that there was a trainmaster high above the tracks overlooking that knoll, and he reported seeing gunfire from the knoll. Additionally, a woman stated that she saw a man with a rifle on the knoll, and when she asked what he was doing, he replied that he was with the Secret Service.

Oh, the Secret Service claimed they had no personnel at that site and the trainmaster was killed in a head-on on a secluded Texas highway shortly after the assassination.

But we all know there is no conspiracy, don't we now?

22 posted on 11/23/2002 5:27:35 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Doc Savage
Flash, mlo is related to jlo.

Who is jlo and what makes you think I'm related to this person?

There are plants out there whose primary goal in life is to quel any kind inquiry into matters such as this.

I doubt it very much, unless you are describing yourself.

Your response is well reasoned. mlo is not.

I think you have a problem seeing reason in anything you don't like. If you want to post a well reasoned response, go ahead. You haven't yet.

It has to be his way or no way.

That seems to fit your own attitude better.

23 posted on 11/23/2002 5:34:40 PM PST by mlo
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To: tenthirteen
I'm not so sure that nothing was seen from the grassy knoll. I've read reports that there was a trainmaster high above the tracks overlooking that knoll, and he reported seeing gunfire from the knoll.

He didn't report seeing any gunfire.

Additionally, a woman stated that she saw a man with a rifle on the knoll, and when she asked what he was doing, he replied that he was with the Secret Service.

Nobody that day reported seeing a man with a rifle on the knoll, and nobody identified themselves as Secret Service. As I've said before, there is a lot mythology attached to this case.

24 posted on 11/23/2002 5:38:08 PM PST by mlo
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To: Flashlight
At the same time that Kennedy is thrown back, Jackie is thrown forward. You will have to admit, she wasn't hit. Take a look at Connelly. He's slammed into the front seat at the exact same time. He wasn't hit at that time either.

There aren't any errors in the final autopsy report. The wounds were measured right to the centimeter.

The people on the fifth floor only heard three shots. The guy in the railroad tower watched as two disinterested guys hung around the picket fence and he didn't observe them shoot anything. There also was two officers on opposite sides of the railroad bridge plus a few railroad workers. There was a total of five people watching the motorcade from the Book Depository side. There were forty one people who were asked where the shots came from. Two people on the knoll said it came from there. Ten times that number said it came from the Depository. Mrs. Connelly said the shots came from the depository. The guy who took the picture of Ruby killing Oswald, saw Oswald shoot Kennedy as he fired out of the window. He was out of film so he couldn't take a picture. Two other saw the same thing but one person thought he used a lever action.

There are no bushes or anything to hide in on the grassy knoll. There's only the small picket fence. Zapruder would have been in front of the shooter if there was one there.

All of the medical evidence indicates two shots from the back. The trajectory angle on the back shot, IE. Connelly didn't shoot Kennedy and the head shot IE. The driver didn't shoot Kennedy.
25 posted on 11/23/2002 5:46:05 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: The Duke
That's how I always saw it.
Johnson knew Kennedy was for getting out of Vietnam,
the Diem assasination turned him (Kennedy) around.
Johnson needed the war to keep the country's focus
OFF "the Great Society" welfare scheme until it was
too late to do anything about it.

Johnson it was that gave us the Gulf of Tonkin incident also.
Johnson was a hardball democrat, I don't think he'd have hesitated for a minute.
26 posted on 11/23/2002 5:52:35 PM PST by tet68
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To: Shooter 2.5
Most people think the Carcano a cheap piece of junk
incapable of firing these shots. Having handled one or
two, and researched them I found that they were highly
regarded, and were in fact, used by the Italian Olympic
team. The ones I have seen were well made, with good bores.
In the hands of a skilled marksman............

27 posted on 11/23/2002 6:03:45 PM PST by tet68
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To: mlo
Regarding your comments that no one was seen on the grassy knoll on that day, might I refer you to the Athens Observer, November 25, 1987 page 8A. It seems they reference a photo taken by a Mr. WILLIS that shows a man with what appears to be a rifle at that location.
28 posted on 11/23/2002 6:07:54 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: The Duke
Well, the leaders of nations to be allied in a 10-year-long war dying by assination the same month is a pretty unusual coinicidence.
29 posted on 11/23/2002 6:19:58 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: tet68
The FBI and the NRA tested Oswald's rifle and they were able to hit with it. Even if all the Carcanos in the world were junk it wouldn't matter to this one. They tested it and they could hit what Oswald hit.

There is also one more thing. I don't know of any bolt action rifle that isn't damaged which can't hit a nine inch group in less than 90 yards. The head shot was at 88 yrds.

Oswald had a lot of time to get the first shot off. The first shot started the seven second time span.
30 posted on 11/23/2002 6:31:57 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: mlo
Reynolds Wrap alert! I know who killed JFK. The
X Files made it very clear some years back that it was a rogue FBI guy with a rifle he shot out of a culvert near the plaza. Oswald was a set up patsy. If you doubt this plausible theory, keep in mind that Mulder does not lie nor does his shapely partner.
31 posted on 11/23/2002 6:43:17 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Flashlight
Anyway, what you're saying is that the bullet from behind started his head going down, then the n.m. reaction started the head going back. That would have to be one heck of a n.m. reaction to abruptly overcome the downward momemtum.

Not really. The bullet pushed the head forward and down for an instant, then penetrated. It does not impart massive momentum to the body. I think the talk about a "neuromuscular reaction" makes it seem more mysterious than it is. Just keep in mind that you aren't talking about an inanimate object here. It was a living body. He fell back into the seat. That's all.

And a lot of others have concluded otherwise. The autopsy was fraught with errors and tons of weird discrepencies.

Every single medical panel that has been able to review the autopsy evidence has come to the same conclusion. Every one. Only a few of the photos have been leaked, so only those panels have had access to all the information.

The HSCA concluded two snipers, remember. I know this was based of the accoustic evidence, but still, it shows that experts can disagree.

The disagreement wasn't over the medical evidence. The HSCA accepted the acoustics but was forced to postulate a second sniper whose shot missed entirely. That's because no other evidence supported a shot from the grassy knoll.

Is this true? Even the police tape recorded four "shot-like" sounds...

Yes, it is true that most witnesses reported three shots, and most reported they came from the TSBD. Later I'll look up the cite for you. There are no shots on the police recording.

True, but that's a little misleading. There was a lot of bushes and stuff to hide behind, and everyone had his eyes on the President at the time.

It isn't misleading at all. If anyone had fired a shot from the grassy knoll there would be untold numbers of people who couldn't have missed it. In fact, not one person reported a shot from the grassy knoll that day.

Ther may not be ballistic evidence, but there *is* plenty of "medical evidence" that raises, at least, tons of suspicion.

Not really. Feel free to cite it if you think so.

32 posted on 11/23/2002 6:43:44 PM PST by mlo
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To: tenthirteen
Regarding your comments that no one was seen on the grassy knoll on that day, might I refer you to the Athens Observer, November 25, 1987 page 8A. It seems they reference a photo taken by a Mr. WILLIS that shows a man with what appears to be a rifle at that location.

The Willis photo only shows a shape that may be a person. It does not show a man with a rifle. There were numerous people in the vicinity of the knoll at the time, so it's not surprising that one might show up in this picture.

33 posted on 11/23/2002 6:51:58 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo; Shooter 2.5
Nothing to add here - just want to give you guys kudos for once again having the patience to walk people through this. That's why you're FR's go-to guys on this topic, IMO ;)

Well, okay - one thing to add. People who doubt the official account really need to take some time, go to Dallas, go up to the 6'th floor, and look out the windows onto Dealey Plaza. Once you do that, it becomes really difficult to do anything but admit that it was very much a makeable shot for Oswald.

Also, you might find this interesting, if you didn't see it the first time around ;)

34 posted on 11/23/2002 7:30:42 PM PST by general_re
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To: Darth Dan
The "Cigarette-Smoking Man" did it. I saw it on the X-Files.

No, the "Future" JFK himself did it from the grassy knoll...

I saw it on "Red Dwarf"!

PS...he's called "Cancer-Man"...don't let the PC mafia change the "Truth"...it's "out there"!

35 posted on 11/23/2002 7:38:22 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: general_re; jmcadams
Thanks! I had no idea.
36 posted on 11/23/2002 7:38:23 PM PST by mlo
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To: general_re
Thank you. Michael handles the sound and other facts and I try with the external ballistics.

I went to the ceremony at Dealy Plaza Friday and I overheard a girl about 18 years old exclaim, "Come on, I shoot guns once in a while and I could have made that shot!" They were at the Railroad Bridge and I asked what they were doing there. They said they were sent there because someone stated that's where the second shooter was. I had to tell them they were standing about 25 feet where the police officer and the railroad workers were standing.
The officer had chased some photographers away at the time but he felt he didn't have the authority to chase workers from their own company property. That's why there were five people on the bridge facing the motorcade. It's a shame he chased away a photographer. It would have been more evidence a shooter couldn't have been at the bridge.
37 posted on 11/23/2002 7:43:31 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: mlo
I had no idea either. If you scroll back up that thread, I was the one who originally asked 'jmcadams' if he was John McAdams - his reply was apparently misdirected, which is why I never saw it until about twenty minutes ago, when this thread triggered my memory of that one. It was sort of interesting to contemplate the notion that Professor McAdams has been lurking around here, without giving in to the temptation to post to the occasional JFK threads that pop up ;)
38 posted on 11/23/2002 8:05:37 PM PST by general_re
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To: Shooter 2.5
I confess that I never really approached the subject with an open mind. Occam's Razor predisposed me to not give much weight to conspiracy theories on this subject. After all, which is the simpler explanation - one lone guy killed the President by himself, or a massive, Oliver Stone-type conspiracy involving about 400 billion people, none of whom have broken their silence in the last 40 years, killed the President? That's why I appreciate folks who take the time to examine the evidence and then arrive at a reasoned conclusion.

Well, okay - maybe it wasn't 400 billion people. But by the time you get through totaling up all the people who were supposed to have been a part of it, it sure seems like it ;)

39 posted on 11/23/2002 8:12:57 PM PST by general_re
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To: Shooter 2.5; mlo
I can just reply quickly tonight. (I'm not ignoring your other points, some are well-taken.)

The HSCA forensic pathology panel concluded that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets from the rear.

(Cyril H. Wecht, M.D., coroner of Allegheny County, Pa. dissented and did not accept this; he was outvoted 8-1.)

The HSCA said: "Because this conclusion appears to be inconsistent with the backward motion of the President's head ...the committee consulted a wound ballistics expert...

The expert concluded that

"nerve damage from a bullet entering the President's head could have caused his back muscles to tighten which, in turn, could have caused his head to move toward the rear."

That's it. Now take a look for yourself at the Zapruder film, where they zoom in on the head. Look at it at normal speed, and at slower speeds.

What you see doesn't look anything remotely possible that could be caused by "tightening back muscles". No way. It looks like something smacked him hard in the forehead.

I admit I'm not an expert.

What I find hard to understand is anyone actually *viewing* this, and actually thinking to themselves, "oh, yeah - I can see how tightening back muscles could have caused this."

What I *can* understand, is someone *reading* the explanation, and accepting it. But after *viewing*, no way.

*I'm* thinking that the HSCA should have said, "since there's no way any sane person could view this and accept the tightening-back-muscle theory, maybe Cyril Wecht (the committee's dissenting member) was right and there *was* a shot from the front."

(no slam intended at anyone who does think it looks like muscle tightening.)

40 posted on 11/23/2002 8:17:33 PM PST by Flashlight
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