The Immigration Question: Were obituaries of the GOP premature?

National Review Online ^ | November 20, 2002 | Daniel T. Griswold

[Righty1]

The problem is the age old question, what is in a name? The GW/KR repuds are for open borders, more muslim influx, very intrusive monitoring of citizens, massive farm subsidies, free prescription drugs etc. The demonRats are having identity problems for a reason. The Cato institute is also part of the "one world" conspiracy. Tancredo is the only patriot in the entire congress so he is really starting to catch hell!

[Fish out of Water]

fyi

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I don't know what the general trend is, but most of the immigrants from Asia (such as India, Hong Kong, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc.) who I've known tend to be anything but leftist and their children even less so.

[The Old Hoosier]

We need to control the borders for Homeland Security reasons, and we need to defund the multiculturalists who will indocrinate Hispanic kids as Aztlan followers. But once that's happened, I say let them in, legally, and let the GOP win their votes by loudly fighting abortion and gay marriage.

What the author fails to note is that the more recent immigrants from Mexico are more Republican than the ones who have been here longer.

[gubamyster]

So as long as they eventually vote for your candidate then it is acceptable to allow millions of illegals to sponge off the taxpayers?

What is the difference between a Democrat pandering for the illegal votes and a Republican pandering for their votes?

The taxpayer is still paying:

Tired and Poor: The Bankrupt Arguments for Mass, Unskilled Immigration

by Steven A. Camarota

National Review, September 3, 2001

We at the Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican immigrant will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes.

[Coop]

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[HumanaeVitae]

Demographics may be destiny, but America is alchemy. We turn the lead into gold.

[glc1173@aol.com]

"While Hispanics made up 12.6 percent of the U.S. population in the 2000 Census, they were only about 7 percent of voters nationwide in the 2000 election. So the nominally large number of Mexican immigrants entering the U.S. workforce has not translated into a large number of new voters, and probably won't for the foreseeable future." (National Review)

They will in under 18 years!

As of now, every U.S.-born child of an illegal alien is a native-born American citizen - though courts have never squarely decided this issue. And as such, those U.S.-born children of illegals get to vote here. That indisputably means that the U.S.-born children of illegals will be able to vote - in numbers probably proportional to the Hispanic population including illegals - in well under 18 years, as all of them weren't born just this year.

While they will heavily be ghettoized to just six states, they will also be the deciding vote in many others - unless Mom and Dad are deported and soon.

IMMIGRATION resource library: public-health facts, court decisions, local INS numbers!

[hchutch]

FYI ping.

This guy is making some good points.

[Poohbah]

Hispanics are socially conservative with a strong work ethic — Hispanic men have a high labor-force participation rate — and propensity for home ownership.

Property taxes and crabgrass have made more Republicans than Abe Lincoln ever did with the Emancipation Proclamation.

[Howlin]

BTTT

[Mudboy Slim]

My bitch ain't with Legal Immigration...it's the Illegal KRAP that must be stopped!!

FReegards...MUD

[rdb3]

I see the illegal immigrant problem more as a symptom of a disease, not the actual disease.

The author is correct in pointing out the demand for the Mexican workers. But this begs the question: WHY is there a demand for cheaper labor? Taxes, maybe?

There are incentives for breaking our immigration laws. So this goes back to law enforcement on both illegals AND those who employ them.

All I hear around here is "Deport! Deport! Deport!" Some deportation definitely needs to take place. But that's really putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Also, an effective deportation campaign would require a police state. So it's six in one hand and half a dozen in the other.

Deportation is not the only answer, just one of them. We need serious tax reform/cuts on both the fed and state levels so that employers have a much easier time in turning profits which would lead to more employment for Americans. The INS is a joke. Effective (read: armed) border control is needed, but not the full-time military, although I could live with border states' governors using their National Guard units. And finally we need to seriously punish employers who use illegal immigrants. We need to make the penalties so fierce for employing illegals that employers would shudder just thinking about hiring them. This includes prison time.

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[Poohbah]

And finally we need to seriously punish employers who use illegal immigrants. We need to make the penalties so fierce for employing illegals that employers would shudder just thinking about hiring them. This includes prison time.

Won't fly here in California--some of the loudest loudmouths demanding that "something" be done hire day labor out of the shopping mall parking lot, KNOWING that they're hiring illegals.

[rdb3]

Hypocrisy, right? Why am I not surprised?

But that actually confirms my points. There are incentives for it now (for both employer and illegal). Now it's time for a disincentive.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Yeah. Don't do it.

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[Poohbah]

But you can be relied to gain the nonsupport of the criminal in your efforts to enforce laws against him--and the criminal is, in this case, someone who votes.

I've tried reporting one particularly egregious offender to the INS. They tell me that he's "hands off" because he donates to various political campaigns and thus has a lot of friends in Congress.

[snickeroon]

Boy! What a relief to know that despite the fact that there is a law AGAINST something, it's going to be useless anyway because so many people are going to break it ...so we might as well smile an get used to it. That IS what this article said, isn't it?

If it is okay to trespass through your neighbor's yard in say...New Mexico...then you won't mind in Minnesota?

[rdb3]

Then it appears this problem will take avenues that it needn't take because there are simpler paths. Such is the human condition.

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