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TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")
Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

Posted on 11/18/2002 6:23:24 PM PST by Mark Felton

November 18, 2002

Target: Tom Tancredo

Some Say GOPPrimary Challenge Likely

By Josh Kurtz He represents one of the most conservative districts in the nation. He just trounced his Democratic challenger by 37 points. Yet Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) may be one of the most vulnerable incumbents in the 2004 election cycle.

Tancredo, a controversial, outspoken voice for the Republican right who is entering his third term, has angered leading Republicans back home and in the White House.

The House Member's criticisms of President Bush's immigration policy bought him a 40-minute rebuke earlier this year from Bush adviser Karl Rove, who, in the Congressman's own words, warned him "never to darken the door of the White House again." And his decision to renounce his pledge to serve only three terms has infuriated powerful Colorado Republicans, including his political patron, former Sen. Bill Armstrong (R).

"I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a primary [in 2004]," said Floyd Ciruli, an independent Colorado pollster.

Several Republicans, including popular state Treasurer Mike Coffman, who just won a landslide re-election of his own, are considering taking on Tancredo in the '04 primary.

Other potential candidates include state Sen. Jim Dyer (R) and former Arapahoe County Commissioner Steve Ward. "It's a given" that someone will run against the 56-year-old lawmaker, Coffman said. "There are questions about his term-limit pledge. When you have someone like Senator Armstrong, who was his mentor, backing away from him - I think that resonates."

Armstrong was instrumental in getting Tancredo elected in the first place, endorsing him over four strong opponents in a competitive GOP primary to replace retiring Rep. Dan Schaefer (R) in 1998. By Tancredo's reckoning, Armstrong's blessing was worth 3 points at the polls - which just happened to be his margin of victory in the primary.

Even though he may not seek re-election in 2004 - and would consider running for Senate if Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R) retires - he has chucked the term-limit promise nevertheless.

"The term-limit pledge in and of itself is not the deciding factor if he will run again," said Tancredo spokeswoman Lara Kennedy.

Like all Members who change their minds on term limits, Tancredo has cast his decision as being in the best interests of his district and pet causes. Tancredo wants to preserve his seniority for his suburban district south of Denver and angle for better committee assignments. Plus, he does not want to lose the momentum he has built fighting the government's open immigration policies, Kennedy said. Tancredo is the founder of the House Immigration Reform Caucus.

While plenty of politicians have broken their term-limit pledges before, including Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.), Tancredo's decision is more noteworthy because he once headed Colorado's term-limit organization.

"All too often you have terrific candidates who come to Washington with the best of intentions, but they get too comfortable, and when the time comes, they don't want to go home," lamented Stacie Rumenap, a spokeswoman for U.S.Term Limits.

Whether Tancredo suffers any political damage remains to be seen. So far, the handful of Members who have broken their pledges, including McInnis, have not suffered any consequences at the polls, Rumenap conceded. And U.S.Term Limits is not in the business of recruiting challengers to incumbents who have broken the pledge.

Tancredo has promised to return campaign contributions to donors who are dismayed at his decision to ignore the term-limits pledge. But Armstrong - who did not respond to several messages left at his Denver law office - called the refund offer "hollow," according to The Rocky Mountain News.

Armstrong, meanwhile, has offered some kind words about Coffman.

"Mike Coffman is someone the Republican Party and the people of Colorado will rally around,"he told the News. "There is no doubt in my mind that he will be on the short list for whatever comes along - it could be governor, it could be Senator, it could be Congress."

Coffman, in fact, began running for Congress last year - in the new 7th district, which adjoins Tancredo's. But when the final district lines were drawn, Coffman found himself in Tancredo's 6th district, just a few blocks from the 7th, and chose not to move or run.

Coffman said that while he has not given much thought to the 2004 election yet, he believes that Tancredo will be vulnerable. The three Republicans most frequently mentioned as challengers are all military veterans, while Tancredo is not, and that could make a difference in a district that values military service, political insiders said.

Coffman, a 47-year-old Marine Corps vet who served in Operation Desert Storm, said Tancredo's military deferments during the Vietnam War would hurt him as America prepares to attack Iraq, and could be linked to his decision to ignore the term-limit pledge.

"Here's a guy ordering young men off to war and he himself didn't serve," he said. "I think in this conservative district, something like that could resonate."

Certainly, Tancredo's record would contrast with Coffman's, or Dyer's, who is an Air Force veteran, or Ward's, who is a lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps Reserves and is on active duty in Florida.

Dyer called it "highly unlikely" that he would challenge Tancredo, but said somebody else might, and predicted that the term-limit issue would sting the incumbent.

"I think a number of people that support Tom are not going to support him if he breaks the term-limit pledge,"said Dyer, who was a surrogate for Tancredo at a candidate forum this fall. "We can't say that situational ethics is bad for party A but not for party B."

Ward, a former mayor of suburban Glendale, could not be reached for comment, but is expected to return to Colorado next year. In an interview with the News after completing his one term on the Arapahoe County Commission, Ward made his opinion of politicians who stay in office too long perfectly clear.

"Any politician who can't find the bathrooms in the first week doesn't deserve to be in public office," he said.

It is unclear whether the White House would try to get involved in a primary challenge to Tancredo.

But it is fair to say that Tancredo is not one of the president's favorite people. Earlier this year, the Congressman accused Bush of pandering to Hispanic voters and trying to prop up Mexican President Vicente Fox by offering amnesty to certain undocumented immigrants. That declaration brought an angry 40-minute phone call from Rove, and Bush pointedly failed to introduce Tancredo to the crowd during a political rally in Colorado in September.

With his hard-line views on immigration, Tancredo is no stranger to controversy. In 1999, he gained publicity for reaffirming his support for gun owners' rights just days after the massacre at Columbine High School, which is six blocks from his house.

The Southern Poverty Law Center released a report last summer linking Tancredo to extremist groups, which the Congressman dismissed as "McCarthyism."

And he was embarrassed earlier this year when it was revealed that undocumented workers had been hired to do some construction work on his Littleton home.

But pollster Ciruli said Tancredo's views on immigration are in line with his constituents'.

"Nobody who's going to argue the soft side of immigration is going to beat him in the Republican primary, or even in the general," he said.

After seeing two fairly viable opponents get wiped out by Tancredo in 1998 and 2000, Democrats appear to have abandoned the 6th district - leaving Republicans there to decide whether they want him to remain in office.


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To: Common Tator
You forgot to mention that Sally Hemmings was sired by Jefferson's uncle. It was all in the family actually. I read somewhere that the Virginia Grant area of Southeastern Ohio for Revolutionary War veterans divided up the land the Virginia way, all twisty curvey, while the part of Ohio in the Northwest purchase or whatever it was called was sectioned off into squares. Thus one can tell exactly which part was in which just by flying over it. Have you done that?
981 posted on 11/19/2002 6:49:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
1924. The U.S. Border Patrol is created, the first legal restrictions are placed on casual migration across the U.S.-Mexico border, and a national-origin quota system is established.

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But wasn't it you who told me there were no restrictions of casual immigration until 1964? Your references refute yur contentions.

982 posted on 11/19/2002 6:52:48 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
Try again:

1952. Multiple laws governing immigration and naturalization are brought under a comprehensive statute, limiting immigration from the Eastern Hemisphere while leaving Western Hemisphere totals unrestricted.

983 posted on 11/19/2002 6:58:18 PM PST by Torie
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To: Common Tator
Here is a photograph of Ellen Hemings Roberts, daughter of Madison Hemings:


984 posted on 11/19/2002 7:02:50 PM PST by Torie
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To: Howlin
But do you still love me?
985 posted on 11/19/2002 7:08:35 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: RLK
I believe there was net immigration out of the USA during that time.
986 posted on 11/19/2002 7:08:42 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: Magnum44
"I think you should read this wrt border security and then restate your comment. "

Ok I took a look at the link that you referenced an I agree it is a very good outline. It does a great job of outline the enormity of the problems that we are up against.

And all though it talks about us strengthen our borders since 9/11, reports coming from the border states indicate that very little is being done. Much the same as we talk about how we have increased the strength of security at our airports, but test indicate that really very little has changed.

And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that this is all Bush's fault, I think it really is more representative of 20 - 30 years of failed government practices that is just now coming to fruition. But by the same token it seems to me that deploying troops on the border after 9/11 should have been a given. Doesn't the president have authority to do that, seeing how this really is a matter of national security? Isn't that what executive orders are suppose to be able to cover?

Incidentally, the Homeland Security Bill passed tonight so hopefully we will see more movement that is positive in the direction of protecting our country, but you will have to forgive me if I withhold opinion until I see some action-taking place. After many years of listening to what politicians say and then watching what they do, I find that there is more substantive value in making a judgment based on what they do.

987 posted on 11/19/2002 7:08:52 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: hchutch; montag813; Badger1; Bikers4Bush; Marine Inspector; Tancredo Fan
"Now, I ask you, do you have a cogent response to that Colombian family, who had been forced - by the malfeasance of those who issued visas - to choose between saving their son and obeying our laws?

That's a typical Liberal situational ethics question. Kind of like the poor guy who HAD to rob a bank because his family was hungry. He was forced to. You wouldn't want his poor family to go hungry, would you? My answer to your question, is to tell the Columbian family to go to some other country. America isn't the only one around.

988 posted on 11/19/2002 7:12:20 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: THUNDER ROAD
I got into this thread a little late but ....

Better late than never!

" Thanks Captain " for having the Guts to state the Truth !

No, no, no, no...Thank YOU!!!

989 posted on 11/19/2002 7:21:46 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
that's my picture also. I was hoping to get into a discussion with sinkspur about what he expects from the Republican party. I may have been too polite, I'm not sure.
990 posted on 11/19/2002 7:22:15 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: nanny; janetgreen
The petty and insulting tone is struck by people who demean the effort and risks taken by our Border Patrol daily, when you all suggest that "nothing is being done".

Those people out there, risking their lives, doing "nothing" according to you all, apprehended 1,235,000 illegal immigrants at the SW border in fiscal year 2001.

These "do nothings" under the direction of this "do nothing" administration are out there right now, risking their lives on the border, so that you and the rest of your ilk, can demean them, and marginalize them.

You know who has really done nothing?

Tom Tancredo.

Nothing, other than lie to his constituents that is.
991 posted on 11/19/2002 7:26:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: holyscroller
I want the bureaucratic malfeasance of the bureaucrats punished, just as the malfeasance of those who allowed Mohammed Atta and John Lee Malvo ought to be punished. Otherwise, we have an unacceptable double standard in place.

Sorry, but I do not want those bureaucrats allowed off the hook. I do not want that sort of double standard condoned. This family DID apply to enter legally. They placed trust that their circumstances would be considered. That trust was, IMO, broken.

And our government breaking trust with ANYONE who is dealing with it - either a foreign government, an American citizen, or someone applying to immigrate here is something that should be absolutely unacceptable to EVERYONE here. And if that trust is broken, the government had better be held to account.

Otherwise, I'm not the one delving into situational ethics.
992 posted on 11/19/2002 7:29:45 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Those people out there, risking their lives, doing "nothing" according to you all, apprehended 1,235,000 illegal immigrants at the SW border in fiscal year 2001.

I hope you're not saying that you approve of this action against 1.2 million people who were just trying to make a better life for themselves.

993 posted on 11/19/2002 7:39:05 PM PST by RodgerD
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To: ClancyJ; PatrioticAmerican; montag813; Bikers4Bush
""Just how much money do you think it would take to have military control the borders?"

A whole lot less than all the free education, welfare, free food, free medical care and all the other millions in freebies these illegals steal from us.

994 posted on 11/19/2002 7:42:11 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: RLK
"...value of money and devaluation of wages..."

I see you drink the Kool-Aid, then ask for more.

My point, the one you completely missed, is that higher wages do not equal better living conditions.

In 1970, while we earned $3.27/hr on an average, versus $14.89/hr today, we had lower taxes, and worked less hours. The one-income family was the norm, and not the rule as it is today.

In 1970, what we bought with one hour's wages, costs us more than one hour's wages today.

I would rather have lower wages, as we did in 1970, and pay less taxes, work less hours, and pay less for goods and services...that all translates into a stronger dollar, and a healthier economy.

You claim that I can't add and subtract, and that I don't have the brains God gave a chicken, but I have enough intelligence to know that inflation is a tax.

So, find the guy on this thread who wanted to know how we could both get a tax cut, and increase the Federal budget the way we have, and his answer is the hidden tax of inflation.

995 posted on 11/19/2002 7:47:07 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
[The petty and insulting tone is struck by people who demean the effort and risks taken by our Border Patrol daily, when you all suggest that "nothing is being done".]

Luis, where do you get your talking points.

That is a stretch, I am always amazed at the ingenious ways to attempt to keep from having to face the truth. Also to try to convince others that only mean, cruel, horrible people could be against illegal immigration and that only horrible, etc. people could believe the PResident should be doing more. You know exactly what we mean - you just hope you can convince someone else that we are just ole bad nasties. It won't work.

I have said many, many times on here the BP is not getting the support it needs. I have said many, many times the President allowed his INS head to tell the BP to 'shut up an take it'. You know what we are saying - I only posted that in case someone is reading this who doesn't know your debating techniques.

Would you like to try again.

996 posted on 11/19/2002 7:47:18 PM PST by nanny
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To: Torie
[We had open borders for those residing in the Western Hemisphere, yes. ]

Now I really want to get this straight so you will have to define open borders for me. Because you see I lived on the border prior to 1964 my husband was practically raised int he Rio Grand Valley and my father guarded the border and lived there for probably 15 of the years prior to 1964 - so define open borders.

997 posted on 11/19/2002 7:50:27 PM PST by nanny
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To: nanny
There are TWO people that post is directed to.

Why don't you read the other poster's "nothing is being done" talking points, and quit worrying about mine.
998 posted on 11/19/2002 7:53:42 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Deb
The bill provides a temporary extension to a program that allows some illegals to stay while their residency applications are processed.

You didn't have to explain the details of how the bill would have provided amnesty for illegal aliens. I already knew. Thanks anyhow for the effort.

999 posted on 11/19/2002 7:55:32 PM PST by RodgerD
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To: nanny
I don't know all the details. Folks just couldn't walk across the borders presumably. But through legal channels, folks from the Western Hemisphere could secure residence in the US if they were otherwise eligible (not diseased, felons, etc), without any limits as to numbers.
1,000 posted on 11/19/2002 7:57:33 PM PST by Torie
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