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The New Convergence
Wired Magazine ^ | December 2002 | Gregg Easterbrook

Posted on 11/13/2002 5:27:59 PM PST by ckilmer

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:09:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 11/13/2002 5:27:59 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
What about politics and science?
2 posted on 11/13/2002 6:00:19 PM PST by cornelis
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To: *crevo_list
Hope springs eternal.
3 posted on 11/13/2002 6:04:42 PM PST by cornelis
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To: ckilmer
Nietzsche: "God is dead."

God: "Nietzsche is dead.

Which statement is verifiable?

4 posted on 11/13/2002 6:58:10 PM PST by IronJack
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To: ckilmer
The tide began to turn a decade later, however, when William Jennings Bryan began preaching against Darwinism. He was influenced by a 1923 book, The New Geology, which argued that Earth's apparently ancient age was an artifact created by God to test people's faith.

Here is an interesting book review of a history on Young Earth creationism.

5 posted on 11/13/2002 7:13:48 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: ckilmer
And biologist Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, insists that "a lot of scientists really don't know what they are missing by not exploring their spiritual feelings."

Feelings - yes, that about sums it up.

6 posted on 11/13/2002 10:25:37 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: *crevo_list; AndrewC; f.Christian; gg188; gore3000; Heartlander; scripter; WhiteKnight; ...
Ping.
7 posted on 11/14/2002 7:56:08 AM PST by scripter
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Espousing a theory known as intelligent design, molecular biologist Michael Behe and others are attempting to forge a synthesis. Often — though inaccurately — described as creationism lite, intelligent design admits that evolution operates under current conditions but emphasizes that Darwin is silent on how those conditions came to be.

Strikingly inaccurate. This makes it sound as though ID is simply an attempt to answer the question of abiogenesis. But when many ID proponents start off with an a priori denial of macroevolution, it quite obviously goes way beyond that.

Beyond that, there's this, which is worth repeating:

The battle between evolutionary biology and faith isn't inevitable. As genome researcher Collins says, "I am unaware of any irreconcilable conflict between scientific knowledge about evolution and the idea of a creator God. Why couldn't God use the mechanism of evolution to create?"

Why, indeed...

8 posted on 11/14/2002 8:03:47 AM PST by general_re
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To: scripter
Wired is often a pretty cool and surprisingly influential magazine.
9 posted on 11/14/2002 8:07:35 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Dumb_Ox
Ronald Numbers' book looks interesting. The review falters when Noll offers his own suggestions but is good up to that point. Thanks for the link.
10 posted on 11/14/2002 8:16:10 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: general_re
Why couldn't God use the mechanism of evolution to create?

God, being God could have used any method He wanted. The four "major camps" of young earth creation, ID, gradualism and punctuated equilibria disagree on the interpretation of the available evidence.

11 posted on 11/14/2002 8:17:57 AM PST by scripter
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To: Condorman
I didn't include you in my ping list by accident. My list is now sorted so I can better add/remove folks.
12 posted on 11/14/2002 8:20:25 AM PST by scripter
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The four "major camps" of young earth creation, ID, gradualism and punctuated equilibria disagree on the interpretation of the available evidence.

And two of those camps, being theological in nature, have real troubles accounting for the available evidence. ;)

13 posted on 11/14/2002 8:26:53 AM PST by general_re
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Numbers traces a decent, though, maybe not exhaustive history of modern Creationism as a religious movement. Quoting Chesterton, Noll then posits the metaphysical claims of select scientists as the battleground where Creationists are active. In practical terms, evolution theory is not metaphysics. Noll is excusing the absurdity of the battle by Creationists over evolution using the (equally absurd) stances of a few atheists. However, Creationism and its running dog Intelligent Design has evolved into a movement that seeks to destroy the very nature of science.
14 posted on 11/14/2002 8:27:00 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: IronJack
Which statement is verifiable?

Which attribution is verifiable?

15 posted on 11/14/2002 8:35:20 AM PST by Physicist
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To: ckilmer
Physics, metephysics, consciousness, spirituality, etc: You need unified thinking to devise a unified theory; you need to include everything to devise a theory of everything.
16 posted on 11/14/2002 8:36:34 AM PST by Consort
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To: Jimer
metephysics = metaphysics
17 posted on 11/14/2002 8:37:17 AM PST by Consort
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To: scripter
Thanks for the heads up!
18 posted on 11/14/2002 8:44:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: IronJack
Actually, neither are verifiable.

However, it is assuredly true and verifiable that Nietsche is in fact, dead.

19 posted on 11/14/2002 8:45:28 AM PST by The Man
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To: Nebullis
Id has a long way to go to get promoted from running dog to lackey.
20 posted on 11/14/2002 8:48:26 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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