Defining the clintons and clintonism: Nov. 5, 2002 and Q ERTY

To: Mia T; sultan88; PhiKapMom

"I wonder what caused Wright to make the somewhat anti-Usonian comment..."

Actually, despite works such as the Guggenheim Museum, FLW as a Post-Modernist in an age of Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, and Mies van der Rohe. Sure, ego probably played into it, but most accomplished architects are rather egomaniacal, as you have to be to make a mark on the land that will be there many generations after you are dead and gone.

The thing I like most about Mr. Wright, though, is that the longevity of his career and the generosity of his patrons allowed him to produce a collection of works that go accross the design spectrum. Fallingwater to Guggenheim, Dobie House to his never-built Mile-High Skyscraper, the dude produced some neat stuff!!

FReegards...MUD

41 posted on 11/16/2002 3:46:00 AM PST by Mudboy Slim

Actually, I was thinking that the typewriter was the metaphor for some less-than-laudatory critique of his work.

Have you seen Gehry's Bilbao-like model of the Guggenheim waterfront museum proposed for downtown NY? It looked rather looming to me...

42 posted on 11/16/2002 5:20:41 AM PST by Mia T

"I was thinking that the typewriter was the metaphor for some less-than-laudatory critique of his work."

LOL...yes, you are absolutely correct. I'm trying to figger out how I went off on that tangent and all I can figger is that I totally mistook the meaning of anti-Usonian as being anti-Utilitarian and/or anti-Modern...LOL!! What's anti-Usonian mean, again?!

"Have you seen Gehry's Bilbao-like model of the Guggenheim waterfront museum proposed for downtown NY? It looked rather looming to me..."

No...but I do plan on getting up to Manhattan to hang out for a few days...it's a wonderful place to visit, but I could NEVER live there. Still, the plethora of interesting architectural accomplishments--successful and otherwise--is worth a revisit every year or so, and I haven't been up there since 9/11.

FReegards...MUD

BTW...I am very interested in seeing that the Twin Towers get rebuilt taller and grander than before.

43 posted on 11/17/2002 7:17:44 PM PST by Mudboy Slim

The Usonian house was Wright's attempt to fulfill the Jeffersonian ideal that land and home ownership were the birthright of all Americans, Wright's goal was to create well-designed, efficient homes for the American middle class.

"Usonia" was derived from "USA" and signified in Wright's mind the America of the future. Technological innovation was important and exploited, hence my typewriter (typeWRIGHTer!!) reference...(Perhaps a bit of a stretch, I concede... ;) )

Gehry's model/proposal for a Bilbao-like Guggenheim waterfront museum for downtown NY was at the Guggenheim awhile ago. It's almost certainly still there--they are trying to raise the tons of money the massive project will cost.

44 posted on 11/18/2002 4:40:50 AM PST by Mia T

"The Usonian house was Wright's attempt to fulfill the Jeffersonian ideal that land and home ownership were the birthright of all Americans, Wright's goal was to create well-designed, efficient homes for the American middle class."

If you look back at the Sears-Roebuck "mail-order homes" that were available to folks in the 30's, 40's and 50's, you can see some available plans that mimic FLW's architecture's strong horizontality and bold roof overhangs. No denying Wright's influence on American design, that's fer sure.

FReegards...MUD

45 posted on 11/18/2002 7:09:34 AM PST by Mudboy Slim

True about FLW.

My taste is more Richard Meier, beautiful old houses and quirky, vernacular stuff (including old barns/silos)...

As for Sears, I recently came across an old barn that was a Sears mail order item.

46 posted on 11/18/2002 1:35:42 PM PST by Mia T

Meier's got some great stuff, I especially like that white house that looks like a ship coming towards you outta the evergreens. I used to really like Stern, but he got so quirky, he became almost a parody of himself. I.M. Pei keeps on getting some great commissions, and usually doesn't disappoint. Once thing I cannot stand is this new Green Architecture...LOL, I quit giving cash to the UVA Architecture School while that dimwit McDonough was Dean...what an embecile!!

FReegards...MUD

47 posted on 11/18/2002 1:59:10 PM PST by Mudboy Slim

great post, but if I may.....

Dubyas realness defined clinton's plasticity

48 posted on 11/18/2002 2:04:56 PM PST by bert

To: bert; Mudboy Slim

Excellent!

Dubya's morality defined clinton deconstruction and subversion

Dubya's good defined clinton evil

Good or Evil: you cannot build your life apart from this distinction.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Architecture, Politics and Deconstruction:

It is unclear whether clinton latched onto deconstructionist theory because its intrinsic inability to be critical provided convenient cover for clinton's inability to think critically or whether clinton was attracted to deconstruction merely because it had surplanted Marxism as the preferred opiate of leftist elites.

49 posted on 11/18/2002 7:51:28 PM PST by Mia T

To: antivenom; All

Q ERTY9

GOOD MORNING

BUMP!

50 posted on 11/19/2002 6:31:20 AM PST by Mia T

I used to really like Stern, but he got so quirky, he became almost a parody of himself.

So true. I related to Stern as Stanford White--loved his shingle style stuff--but I think his Disney commission became his reality. Was actually inside some of his houses and they are parodies--Disneyana of the most Mickey Mouse sort.

I'm not against humor in architecture, but I draw the line when the joke's on the project instead of in it.

51 posted on 11/19/2002 7:34:51 AM PST by Mia T

To: bert; Mudboy Slim; All

Ooops! Pls supplant.

52 posted on 11/19/2002 8:28:24 AM PST by Mia T

53 posted on 11/19/2002 1:39:44 PM PST by Mudboy Slim

To: johnny7; All

Mia T
Defining the clintons and clintonism:
Nov. 5, 2002 and Q ERTY

Mindless rhinestone-studded-and-tented kleptocracy
by Mia T

John Podhoretz recently asked, "Whence comes hillary clinton's reputation for brilliance?" For the answer, he intuitively, rather brilliantly in fact, looked to her anatomy and noted,"This isn't the first time she's shot herself in the foot."

The above anatomical analysis supports the Podhoretz thesis. Notwithstanding The Pod's erroneous conclusions concerning ~~hillary~~ clinton's heart and nerve, he basically has it right. Anatomy is destiny...

Ian Hunter recently observed that our leaders are shrinking. "From a Churchill (or, for that matter, a Margaret Thatcher) to a Tony Blair; from Eisenhower to Clinton; from Diefenbaker to Joe Clark; from Trudeau to Chretien -- we seem destined to be governed by pygmies."

The pols understand their anatomical limitations well; they attempt to mitigate them with veneer. And so we suffer mindless alpha-beta-beelzebubba grotesquerie. . .

and rhinestone-studded-and-tented kleptocracy.

With all the media genuflecting before the press-conference podium of bill clinton, it bears remarking yet again that the clinton intellect (an oxymoron even more jarring than AlGoreRhythm and meant to encompass the cognitive ability of both clintons) is remarkable only for its utter ordinariness, its lack of creative spark, its lack of analytic precision, its lack of depth.

The clintons' fundamental error: They are too arrogant and dim-witted to understand that the demagogic process in this fiberoptic age isn't about counting spun heads; it's about not discounting circumambient brains.

Politicos and reporters are not rocket scientists . . .

Professions tend to be self-selected, intellectually homogeneous subgroups of Homo sapiens. Great intellects (especially these days) do not generally gravitate towards careers in the media or politics. Mediocre, power-obsessed types with poor self-images do.

Thus, clinton mediocrity goes undetected primarily because of media mediocrity. ("Mediocrity" and "media" don't come from the same Latin root (medius) for no reason.) Insofar as the clintons are concerned, the media confuse form with substance, smoothness with coherence, data-spewing with ratiocination, pre-programmed recitation with real-time analysis, an idiosyncratic degeneracy with creativity.

Jimmy Breslin agrees. In Hillary Is the 'Me-First' Lady, Breslin laments:

"At the end of all these years and years that are being celebrated this week, the national press of America consists of people with dried minds and weak backbones and the pack of them can't utter a new phrase for the language or show the least bit of anger at a business or profession or trade or whatever this business is that is dying of mediocrity."

Listen carefully to the clintons. You will hear a shallow parody of the class president. Not only do they say nothing; they say nothing with superfluous ineloquence. Their speeches are sophomoric, shopworn, shallow, specious. Platitudinous pandering piled atop p.c. cliché

In seven years, they have, collectively, uttered not one memorable word save, "It was a vast right-wing conspiracy," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky,"and, "It all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

Even the clintons' attempts at alliteration fall flat. Compare Agnew's (Safire's) "nattering nabobs of negativism" with clinton's "preachers of pessimism," an impotent, one-dimensional, plagiaristic echo (its apt self-descriptiveness notwithstanding).

Before they destroy their backs along with their reputations, media gentry genuflecting at the altar of the clinton brain should consider Edith Efron's, Can the President Think?

A wasted brain is a terrible thing.

54 posted on 11/20/2002 8:01:09 AM PST by Mia T

Ooops again. Pls supplant. ;)

55 posted on 11/20/2002 8:08:44 AM PST by Mia T

Q ERTY9 BUMP!

Without malicious intent...yes, it certainly seems so. Excellent point.

Your comment about Bush's almost universally perceived lack of malice reminds me of a comment -- one of hundreds of hysterical (literally) rationalizations propounded by a panel of leftist academics hastily assembled last week to explain away the Democrat debacle of '02.

This person actually said that whereas Bush is perceived by the people as trying to change the noxious [i.e., clinton] atmosphere in Washington, there has never been a more poisonous administration than his.

It's not easy to play fair against Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, who, in the words of the authors, "operated like a crime family, expecting friends and aides to protect them even against their own best interests." What's amazing, of course, is that's exactly what Clinton friends and aides have always done, from Susan McDougal to Webster Hubbell to flocks of nameless White House special assistants. Even Jim McDougal died just in time to deprive the independent counsel of a key witness against Mrs. Clinton, thus derailing what the authors report to have been her likely indictment for perjury and obstruction related to the Whitewater investigation.... Reading the tumultuous events of the Lewinsky probe in a comprehensive narrative is unlike attempting to make sense of it in daily doses. Something different comes through the heavy accumulation of detail of, for example, the duplicity of the Justice Department, or the sharklike behavior of the White House. One begins to get a choking sense of the atmosphere of corruption and ruthlessness the Clintons inhabit -- and, worse, have forced the rest of us to inhabit. Taken in one piece, the habitual, even casual abuse of power on display begins to resemble conditions one normally associates with a state of totalitarianism, where such concepts as truth and justice are only paid lip service. In the end, then, it makes you wonder when there will be fresh air again.
Crime-family values

The only way they can win is to convince people that we're space aliens.
--bill clinton




June 9, 1999

Peggy Noonan's excellent piece in yesterday's Wall Street Journal is really the story of the death of democracy. At its core it is the description of the human double helix gone terribly awry, of a denatured protein grotesquely twisted, of two mutant, tangled strands of DNA, the basest imaginable of base pairs linked permanently, as firmly as guanine to cytosine, bill inexorably to hillary and conversely, doing what they do best, and doing it relentlessly.

Killing.
Killing insidiously.
Killing as they pose and pander and feel our pain.

My only complaint is with Peggy Noonan's title.
The Mad Boomer, doesn't begin to capture candidate clinton considered separately or even taken as the self-anointed "twofer," permanently conjoined at that cavity conspicuously empty except for ego, that place where brain and soul and guts and heart normally reside.

This is not to say that she -- that they -- are not both quite mad and of that self-indulgent, arrogantly, ignorantly solipsistic age sandwiched flatly between yesterday's innocence and tomorrow's insouciance. Rather, it is that their madness and their boomerism don't even begin to explain their noxious influence: The cloying, internally inconsistent clinton calculus. The unspoken clinton threats. They permeate the atmosphere like a coiling miasma, choking off all freedom.

Even in New York.
Especially in New York.
When she wrote "The New Colossus," Emma Lazarus hardly had in mind this pair of mutant, deadly, twisted aliens.

So forget Arkansas-Illinois carpetbaggery and standard issue muckraking. The clintons are aliens of quite another sort. They are extrinsic, not of this world. They are inhuman. They are dehumanizing.

You may recall that the first act of this story of two degenerates maintained by iterating idiots, farce of farce ad infinitum, was generated quite by accident by iterated AlGoreRhythm, who, it should be noted, is now himself the object of iterated calculation by said degenerates who want iteration 2004 all for themselves.

And thus the odd bit of bloody Gore in Act II: The ugly sight of a corrupt, bottom-heavy hillary self-impaled on the horns of a Treason-Dilemma- masquerading-as-a-Third-Term-Dilemma-masquerading-as-a-Senate-stampede, for example, or bill's recent unsolicited, underwhelming Times interview on the Gore candidacy.

Act I was called "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover." Ostensibly the tale of the wife of a bloodthirsty crime boss who finds romance with a bland bookseller between courses at her husband's restaurant, it was in fact the Thyestean and moveable -- yet unmoving -- feast of hillary clinton at her husband's sham restitution. (Note the reciprocity. The sham restitution in Act II is all hillary's.)

Food, color coding, sex, murder, torture and cannibalism were the exotic (if mostly horizontal) fare in this beautifully filmed but brutally uncompromising modern memoir which passed as ancient fable about nouveau riche rapacity.
Not for the faint at heart, Purple Hearts or queazy stomachs, this depiction of the gross debasement of America was heavily peppered with irony and dark humor throughout.

Although she baked no cookies, didn't do illicit land or cattle d eals and stood by no man, hillary clinton starred in the triple role of the Cook, the Thief and his Wife. Her lover was played at once vaporously and in workmanlike fashion by the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt, with Janet Reno, between her stints rendering intermittent injustice for the Husband, as the reliable stand-in. Sidney Blumenthal was the stand-in for the Cook and Craig Livingstone the stand-in for the Thief. The last-minute addition of Christopher Hitchens as the snitch was a stroke of absolute genius notwithstanding its cerebral accident, its predictable-if-perfect pitch and its facile alliteration.

Although Act I had no rating, the new clinton soccer-mom directive will require a photo ID for any viewer without independent proof of illegal alien DNC or DNA sequencing.

In Act II, rabid anti-clinton voters, roughly 33% of the U.S. populace according to as-yet-unpodded pollsters, become increasingly aware that they are disappearing in droves and being replaced by alien pod replicas which have their physical attributes but lack all anti-clinton affect.

If Act I was a thinly veiled allegory about naked clintonism, then Act II is a parable about the plan for world domination by the Establishment, aged hippies in pinstripes all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS

56 posted on 11/20/2002 9:03:30 AM PST by Mia T

To: YaYa123; doug from upland; Gail Wynand; All

Clearly someone should notify America's founders that they have erred... men are not deserving of self goverment, because clearly self government is nothing more than the aggregation of all our psychic traumas and libidinal confusions.. and look where that has gotten us...one Clinton leaving the white house and one aiming for the US Senate for the State of New York... perhaps the liberals ARE onto something? But no, study the last two Clinton elections carefully... this most shameless and shameful American President is the product of plurality (less than majority) votes obtained through the gile and intrigue of an elitist cabal of intellectually impaired and ethically corrupt media manipulators aligned in effect with the electoral tampering of one man, H. Ross Perot, who although he occasionally gave a good speech was still intelligent enough to know his only role was to twice deny the conservative majority of American voters a first choice for President.
Gail Wynand, "Be Liberal, Live in Ignorance and Servitude"

LUCINDA FRANKS: I think you're wrong because, after about two years of -- of working on this, you know, on and off, I think the president -- that the teenage culture caused the president's behavior in the way he behaved in -- with the oral sex.

BILL O'REILLY: I think you're crazy, Ms. Franks, with all due respect.
Fellating Kids and clinton Degeneracy: The Revisionism Begins

"Be Liberal, Live in Ignorance and Servitude"
by Gail Wynand

Liberals have always had problems figuring out causation. They believe for example that because people who smoke (sometimes) have higher rates of cancer than people who don't that smoking CAUSES cancer, worse, they believe that if people get cancer it is the fault of the "tobacco companies" (i.e., caused by the manufactures of tobacco products). They further believe that the remedy for this fault is that billions of dollars in "damages" should be transferred from the wealth of stockholders in tobacco companies to a handful of plaintiffs lawyers including the First Lady's relatives and others closely associated with the Democratic party. And they believe, apparently, that if young people are now experimenting with sex at early ages and with more profoundly explicit practices than in past years, and that if the President of the United States decides to enroll a young intern in rendition of such services to his middle aged libido resultantly staining both her dress and America's reputation, that a spontaneous wave of teenage sex experimentation, sucked (sorry) the poor middle aged chief executive into its vortex.
Deducing causation in most events takes deliberate, focused, thought, insight, and a disciplined intelligence that doesnt skip foundational indoctrination (aka actually studying in school). Causation of the diseases associated with cancer is highly complex and to a large degree still unknown. That smoking is probably not healthy for you is well known. That a middle aged chief executive, Yale Law School graduate, former professor of Constitutional Law and State Attorney General should be responsible and accountable for his own actions including HIS perjury and obstruction of justice would seem axiomatic to all but a liberal who has the capacity to adopt causationally convenient theories based solely on tangential proximity to the event under examination rather than through any rational analysis of the importance or significance of the asserted cause to the event. Thus, "guns" are used in some murders therefore, to a liberal all "guns" should be either banned or kept in locked safes with trigger locks so as to disarm the law abiding public and eviscerate their legally recognized right to effective self defense.
Quite simply, one has to be pretty stupid or very corrupt or both to be a liberal, at least and for sure to be a Clinton supporter. But it is worse than that, one also has to deny the importance of human consciousness and free will. That is, a Clinton defending liberal apparently believes that childhood psychic trauma, teenage sex trends (remarkably and largely only rampant among the social classes targeted by liberals for social intervention for the past 40 years) and the power of "addiction" which used to be considered merely "habituation" in more stalwart times, are more significant than free will in determining human conduct.

Clearly someone should notify America's founders that they have erred... men are not deserving of self goverment, because clearly self government is nothing more than the aggregation of all our psychic traumas and libidinal confusions.. and look where that has gotten us...one Clinton leaving the white house and one aiming for the US Senate for the State of New York... perhaps the liberals ARE onto something? But no, study the last two Clinton elections carefully... this most shameless and shameful American President is the product of plurality (less than majority) votes obtained through the gile and intrigue of an elitist cabal of intellectually impaired and ethically corrupt media manipulators aligned in effect with the electoral tampering of one man, H. Ross Perot, who although he occasionally gave a good speech was still intelligent enough to know his only role was to twice deny the conservative majority of American voters a first choice for President. And now even as Evita determinedly grasps for the Security Power and Influence of the Senate seat, one sees in her early campaigning the overriding awareness that her only hope is the sowing of confusion and ignorance... the demonization of a long time public servant whose accomplishments are towering, the pandering to the lowest and most depraved and corrupt anti social organizations and figures (no not the mob, the teachers unions and Mr. Sharpton). Arm in arm this body of liberal enthusiasts march forth to assure that America continues to be contaminated and disabled by their control of government into the 21st century... arrogantly and in complete disregard of truth, rationality, or the notion of liberty... they pound at the very gates of freedom, threatening to burn (redefine to mean the opposite of what they say) the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address and replace them with their own Orwellian Banners of "community" "children" "education" "fairness" and all the other focus group tested liberal-illogicisms. But the translation exists and when the alien identifying sunglasses are donned all of their slogans can be seen to read "Be Liberal, Live in Ignorance and Servitude"

57 posted on 11/23/2002 2:36:10 AM PST by Mia T

58 posted on 11/23/2002 3:08:10 AM PST by Mia T

Dubya's courage defined clinton cowardice...

Outta Africa

clinton cowardice
caught on tape

59 posted on 11/23/2002 3:13:53 AM PST by Mia T

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