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Well, Anna, I don't think burbling the old saws that Republicans are mean to women and minorities is going to win any more votes either. NOW support 18 candidates in this election cycle, 3 won.
1 posted on 11/11/2002 6:07:25 PM PST by Utah Girl
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I really like Anna Quindlen's writing, too bad she doesn't have anything good to say. I must include this overwrought paragraph (Clinton truly believed??? He believed in himself and keeping power only.)

They (the American voter) can also smell it when someone really believes, as opposed to that faux belief described as positioning. That's why the late, great Paul Wellstone, a guy who any reasonable person would have said was too liberal and too unpolitic to be a politician, got elected twice. Was it the ill-advised pep rally masquerading as a memorial service that did in Wellstone's surrogate, or was it that the unaccustomed whiff of principle had disappeared with the ebullient firebrand who dared oppose the president's bully war?

2 posted on 11/11/2002 6:09:57 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
A true soccermom idiot in the mold of Patty Murray.
3 posted on 11/11/2002 6:10:40 PM PST by sauropod
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To: Utah Girl
the horrific treatment of factory-farmed chicken


5 posted on 11/11/2002 6:12:49 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Utah Girl

But what constitutes left when viewed from the right—or when viewed by political consultants—isn’t really left at all. Wanting to register and license guns, or eschewing a quick-fix tax cut to avoid ever-increasing deficits: those aren’t radical notions.

That she has managed to grow up believing that registering guns isn't a radical notion, or that raising taxes will reduce deficits, is clear evidence of what is wrong with the Democratic Party.

8 posted on 11/11/2002 6:18:15 PM PST by jdege
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To: Utah Girl
...Lest we forget, the alleged left-wing positions of years past are now the bedrock of democracy: ... the equality of women.

The equality of women?

You mean the right of women to be raped by the President of the United States---while the "feminists" gather together to call the rape victim a "slut"?

11 posted on 11/11/2002 6:22:35 PM PST by 07055
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To: Utah Girl
I knew I should have stopped reading when I saw the name Anna Quindlen. She's like a silent fart; she makes no discernible sound, but boy does it stink.
14 posted on 11/11/2002 6:24:59 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Utah Girl
Well, Anna, I don't think burbling the old saws

I can sum it all up in 4 words. "I am wealthy, Dad". My Dad was on the DNC. His brother was a top executive with the AFL. Another of Dad's brothers was a factory worker and his sisters were just a housewlfes of hourly labor families.

I have 14 cousins our parents were Democrats. Most of us are Repubicans. When I became a Republican my dad asked me how I could be a Republian... "They are for the wealthy", he said. I replied, "I am wealthy, Dad." So are most of my cousins.

It is hard to be the majority party that is all for providing a free ride the little guy, when the little guys are in the minority.


16 posted on 11/11/2002 6:28:33 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Utah Girl
By contrast, I scarcely know where my own party stands any longer.

Hopefully, Nancy Pelosi will make it clear for you and others too. Hopefully.

23 posted on 11/11/2002 6:42:35 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Utah Girl
I was all ready to get pissed off by reading the whole article, but I'm not! It sounds like Unconditional Surrender to me!
27 posted on 11/11/2002 7:08:45 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers
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To: Utah Girl
...The Republican Party's historical hostility to the rights of women and the welfare of immigrants

Is it just me, or is this stuff starting to sound comedic to everyone now?

There was time when I worried that someone might read one of these New Yawk Tawking Heads and believe this kind of stuff. But now I find myself laughing at it. It's like these people have diminished to the point where there is now just a little clique of them in New York and Hollywood, and they talk themselves into believing weirder and weirder things. Like some inbred royal family, they're slowly going nuts.

To hear Quindlan talk, or Moyers over in that other thread, unspeakable horrors are about to be unleashed on the populace by crazed right-wing fanatics. You'd think George W. Bush, who gets booed all the time around here for not being conservative enough, is about to establish the American Taliban. Do they really believe this stuff, or is this part of the denial-and-anger phase of the hosing they took last week?

Whatever it is, they sound more and more like paranoid crazy people every day. And to think, they used to be "mainstream journalism." Now they're just a trickle of liberal looneytoons, singing ever-crazier hymns to an ever-smaller choir.


28 posted on 11/11/2002 7:13:29 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Utah Girl
Every once in a while it's good for conservatives to read something like this nonsense, then sit back and recall what it is that liberals really need for life to be grand. It really never had anything to do with leveling playing fields or providing the good life or any such things.

Liberals want AND NEED people to be helpless without them. They need people to avoid self reliance at all costs. They like the idea of providing sustenance, barely. It's best if this sustenance saps desire for self improvement, for we can't have people thinking they can improve themselves without government help.

Liberals need to be able to tell people where and how to live. They need this because they know...KNOW...what is best for you. Your ideas on the subject are quite irrelevant, for what do you know after all, you of the great unwashed.

It's vitally crucial that if you are an independent thinker, that you be squashed like a bug, because independent thinking is as anathema to a liberal as it was to Ho Chi Minh or is to Fidel Castro.

For liberals, you can't properly drive any car you like nor should you be permitted to smoke without tripling you tax nor hunt or shoot trap for that matter.

For liberals if you make minimum wage, you already are a winner in life's lottery, so just plan to send it in...we'll send you what you need...that's our job..and WE know what you need.

For liberals, if you harvest renewable resources, you are the devil incarnate. If you find nonrenewable resources, you should plan to leave them right where they are. The earth doesn't need you and your resources are not there for your betterment or anyone elses, for that matter.

If you don't work for the government, you are sub-human. Oh, and don't bother negotiating any employment contract on your own, that's a liberals job. Never mind that many of we liberals have never really produced anything, what's important is that we know what's best for you.

This can go on and on. When you are dealing with liberals, recall that things are never either good or improving. They are always bead and getting worse...that's why a liberal was put on earth. It's a liberal job to slow the speed at which the world is going to hell in a hand basket. That's the best you can hope.

Finally, it's the lot of a liberal to be brain dead. If there was ever a liberal on earth that could read, he or she would see that Richard Nixon was exponentially more liberal than was Hubert Humphrey on the most liberal day of his life. You can look it up.

29 posted on 11/11/2002 7:17:19 PM PST by stevem
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"With this election result, they (the Republicans) will try to give estate-tax relief to the wealthy, to despoil the Alaskan wilderness by drilling for oil and to load the federal bench with judges who approve of the death penalty and are hostile to abortion."

......and the downside of this would be?????

31 posted on 11/11/2002 7:23:20 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Utah Girl
"...all conspire to leave liberals nowhere to go."

Want a suggestion, Anna?

33 posted on 11/11/2002 7:25:37 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Utah Girl
Re: The Republican Party’s historical hostility to the rights of women

Which party was Wilson again?

Modern History Sourcebook:
The Passage of the 19th Amendment


The New York Times


The Vote in Detail.

The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.

The 19th Amendment was introduced to the Senate in 1878 by Senator Sargent, a Republican from California.

The first five women elected to the House of Representatives were women:


Chronological List of Members

MEMBER AND PARTY STATE YEARS OF SERVICE
     
Jeannette Rankin (R) MT
03/04/1917 - 03/03/1919;
01/03/1941 - 01/03/1943

Alice Mary Robertson (R) OK
03/04/1921 - 03/03/1923
Winnifred Sprague Mason Huck (R) IL
11/07/1922 - 03/03/1923
Mae Ella Nolan (R) CA
01/23/1923 - 03/03/1925
Florence Prag Kahn (R) CA
03/04/1925 - 01/03/1937

So, Anna, why don't you do the 30 minutes of research it took me to find out the real deal on the Republicans history?

39 posted on 11/11/2002 8:24:43 PM PST by m1911
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To: Utah Girl
...The Republican Party's historical hostility to the rights of women and the welfare of immigrants, its favoritism toward big business and big contributors, Richard Nixon's unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory and Ronald Reagan's cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised: all conspire to leave liberals nowhere to go.

Historical hostility? Oh, like when Bill Clinton says, "you might want to put a little ice on that"?

Welfare of immigrants? First, since they are immigrants they are fleeing something worse or are trying to get out of high tax countries. Second, it's the welfare 'for' Illegal immigrants we have a problem with.

Big business and big contributors? You mean like the fat cat club of trial lawyers? The million dollar check writers like Speilberg, Streisand, Riener, Hanks, et al? The contributors from big business that they give government money too and get insider tips from like Worldcom, Enron, & Global Crossings?

Oh, I get it now, thanks Ms. Quindlen....moron!

41 posted on 11/11/2002 8:51:40 PM PST by Fledermaus
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She's right about Pataki. I have elderly Jewish friends, very liberal, from the Upper West Side, and their feeling is that Pataki has been a conciliator. The clear impression I got was that they were going to vote for him, and perhaps that would be the first Republican vote of their lives.

Of course, that's not really saying too much, since Pataki ran to the left of McCall.
45 posted on 11/11/2002 10:49:52 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: Utah Girl
Amazing.
The Republican Party's historical hostility to the rights of women and the welfare of immigrants, its favoritism toward big business and big contributors, Richard Nixon's unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory and Ronald Reagan's cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised:
It never dawns on Anna that Bill Clinton demonstrated hostility to the rights of women (hello Paula, Monica, Juanita, etc.) and immigrants (Elian, did you enjoy the gun in your mug?), had favoritism toward big business (particularly cronies like Global Crossing and Tyson foods) and big contributors (see Terry McAuliffe's fundraising list), an unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory (too many examples to name just one) and a cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised.

But that was different, because he was a pro-abort Democrat.

49 posted on 11/12/2002 5:31:23 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: Utah Girl
Bump
54 posted on 11/12/2002 4:57:20 PM PST by m1911
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To: Utah Girl
She does make one good point:

No spin possible. Don’t even try. Those pundits who suggest that this enormous victory could be bad for the Republicans because now they’ll have no one else to blame—oh, please!

58 posted on 11/12/2002 11:23:10 PM PST by NYCVirago
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