The Cancer of the Anti-smoking Puritans

NewsMax.com ^ | Nov. 7, 2002 | Barrett Kalellis

[Zon]

Nice check list. I think you'll find that all eight of your check points are encompassed by this: (Note: valid legality is based on not initiating force on another person. Otherwise the government could -- and often does -- make invalid/bogus laws that in effect initiative force against citizens.)

Scenario: Privately owned business/restaurant/bar wherein the business/property owner allows smoking.

Short and to THE POINT: Did any person initiate force against another person? No. Check and checkmate.

[cinFLA]

You are obviously confusing a dictatorship vs. a republic. Bye for now. Meet again on another thread.

[Zon]

exorcizing = exercising

[Zon]

You are obviously confusing a dictatorship vs. a republic.

You are guilty of that which you erroneously accuse another of. That ploy is as old as the Sun, so to speak. The only difference is that cinFLA isn't confused, for he knows his position favors a dictatorship.

[monday]

"However, it can be said that exposing them to this environment makes them more likely to smoke (at least thats what the tobacco companies believe) thus kids raised to believe that their are benefits to smoking are more likely to smoke thus it can be inferred that wanting kids exposed to second hand smoke means you also want them to smoke since if you did not want them to smoke, you would not want to expose them to that environment."

Thats a stretch.

If it clears up any confusion. I will state for the record that kids should not smoke, and adults should not smoke either, unless they want to.

It is still a free country after all, despite the safety Nazis best efforts;-)

[cinFLA]

You are guilty of that which you erroneously accuse another of. That ploy is as old as the Sun, so to speak. The only difference is that cinFLA isn't confused, for he knows his position favors a dictatorship.

Your brain is obviously smoked.

[Zon]

My posts speak for me as much as your posts speak for you. I'll gladly let the juxtaposition stand.

[Calico Cat]

Thank you for the correction, Zon. You are correct, and my wording was careless--the State has the power, not the right.

I think the opponent has been exposed. Too bad for him (her?)

[Publius6961]

Ah, but there's the rub .... you don't know what you are talking about. I never said "I" had the right but the state does.

I sure hope you realize that you have painted yourself into a corner.

You seem blissfully unaware that the distinction between a free society and a fascist one is... you guessed it:

In a free society the individual has rights.
In a Fascist society, the state does.

It does not surprise me at all that neurotic, tiny, controlling people are literally intellectually unable to make the distinction.

[cinFLA]

I sure hope you realize that you have painted yourself into a corner. You are blissfully unaware of the difference between a free society and an anarchy.

[cinFLA]

In a free society the individual has rights. In a Fascist society, the state does.

In a Fascist society, the individual would have no right to assemble, elect representatives and pass laws that they conclude would benefit that society. Take your ignorant argument elsewhere.

[Publius6961]

Take your ignorant argument elsewhere.

Ahh yes...
The old change-the-subject-Jr-high-school debate tactic?

Flawless tapdancing around the crux of the matter too: Do states have rights?

Even more intriguing... do groups have rights?

Constitution? What stinking constitution?

What size arrogant ignorance does it take to make vacuous statements and then pretend you never made them?

Saaaay.. your name wouldn't be Bill would it?

[Max McGarrity]

What are you doing on a conservative forum? What am I doing on a conservative forum? Standing up for private property rights and individual liberties. How 'bout you?

If you keep your pro-tobacco posts off here we will all get along

What in he!! makes you think WE want to get along with something like YOU???? Sorry you can't understand the difference between "pro-tobacco" and "pro-freedom," but stick around...maybe it'll sink in eventually.

[Max McGarrity]

Posting that it is beneficial for children to smoke is not a tease.

Ding, ding, ding, ding!! CinFLA got one right!! It's not a "tease," it's a fact. Thank you for finally recognizing the truth.

ROFLMAO!

[Seruzawa]

Beat them at their own game. Stop giving them reason to go after you.

Oh, absolutely. Give in to despotism. Real smart.

Coward.

[Great Dane]

#62........ Hey Gabz, thats great news.

[Great Dane]

If you keep your pro-tobacco posts off here we will all get along.

If they bother you so much, why don't you just stay off them.... come on, be a dear and make everybody happy.

[Great Dane]

I think the opponent has been exposed. Too bad for him (her?)

Correct, he obviously ran out of points which he can't back up, so he is leaving the thread.

[timm22]

I sure hope you realize that you have painted yourself into a corner. You are blissfully unaware of the difference between a free society and an anarchy.

Who is advocating anarchy? No one is saying that the state shouldn't exist. Some are simply saying that the state must not violate the rights of individuals.

[cinFLA]

Constitution? What stinking constitution?

I have no idea what this means. Are you trashing the constitution or using it to support your position?