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'War Crimes' Fear For British Troops
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-06-2002 | Michael Smith

Posted on 11/06/2002 4:15:33 PM PST by blam

'War crimes' fear for British troops

By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 06/11/2002)

The Government is concerned that British servicemen and women involved in any war against Iraq could find themselves facing action from the International Criminal Court, defence sources said yesterday.

This week's attack, by a CIA Predator drone, on a car containing al-Qa'eda terrorists in Yemen has served only to intensify concerns within the Cabinet, which extend to Tony Blair and Geoff Hoon, Defence Secretary. They are both lawyers by training, as is Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary, another key player in the debate. "Lawyer Blair and lawyer Hoon are really worried about this now," one defence source said.

Lord Goldsmith, Attorney General, and Harriet Harman, Solicitor General, have warned the Government that if it attacked Iraq without the backing of a UN Resolution action then it could find itself hauled before the ICC.

But defence sources said there was just as much concern over the possibility that even with a resolution in place individual servicemen might find themselves subject to action.

One suggested that if a British reconnaissance aircraft passed information to a US ground attack aircraft that subsequently attacked civilians, the British servicemen might be held responsible.

They would be subject to the ICC, although the pilot of the US aircraft would not, since America did not recognise the court.

Despite extensive efforts by the British Government and the Foreign Office in particular, the US administration is opposed to any recognition of the ICC.

Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, Chief of Defence Staff, who expressed concerns over the Government's decision to sign up to the ICC, also warned against the US willingness to act like "a 21st century high-tech posse".

The attack in Yemen, with the CIA apparently acting as judge, jury and executioner, was typical of the type of activity over which Admiral Boyce expressed concern, defence sources said. He advocated drawing "red lines" beyond which British troops operating alongside US forces would not go.

He also warned ministers that under the ICC commanders might face a choice between being accused of war crimes or changing rules of engagement to the point where the enemy could be certain of striking first.

The MoD said that any British serviceman or women involved in any alleged offence brought before the ICC would have to be tried in Britain and would therefore be subject to the normal laws of the land.

"We obviously agree to share information and intelligence with the Americans," a spokesman said. "We don't necessarily have any control over how it is used.

"Nor does it follow that because US servicemen are not subject to the ICC they are allowed to go out and act with impunity. Any US serviceman accused of war crimes would be liable to prosecution in the US courts."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: british; crimes; troops; war
OOPS!!
1 posted on 11/06/2002 4:15:33 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Well, well, well... welcome to the real world. So, Brits don't like the idea of someone else charging their troops with crimes and then trying them. SURPRISE.
2 posted on 11/06/2002 4:17:10 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: blam
The Government is concerned that British servicemen and women involved in any war against Iraq could find themselves facing action from the International Criminal Court, defence sources said yesterday.

The ICC is already eating away at national sovereignty like an acid.

3 posted on 11/06/2002 4:21:55 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: blam

THIS JUST IN: The only War Crimes were those by the Islamic Terrorists,
the Taliban, al Qaeda, and the House of Saud, etc.
Americans WILL NOT FORGET
the 911 Atrocities [or which side the US media took durng the Islamic terror war.]


4 posted on 11/06/2002 4:23:34 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: blam
"They would be subject to the ICC, although the pilot of the US aircraft would not, since America did not recognise the court. "

Says it all.

What a bunch of effeminate idiots.

~Grin~

5 posted on 11/06/2002 4:27:58 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Clara Lou
" They would be subject to the ICC, although the pilot of the US aircraft would not, since America did not recognise the court. "

We are not stupids here, just cowboys who like to blow things up hi-tech style.

6 posted on 11/06/2002 4:30:06 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: blam
And Blair wondered why we wouldn't sign that ridiculous treaty.
7 posted on 11/06/2002 4:44:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: VaBthang4
Note to the Brits: When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
8 posted on 11/06/2002 4:45:05 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: blam
He also warned ministers that under the ICC commanders might face a choice between being accused of war crimes or changing rules of engagement to the point where the enemy could be certain of striking first.

Umm, Guys? There was a reason we didn't sign it you know. Next time, try listening before you jump all over us for being isolationist.

The world is not your friend and doesn't have your best interests at heart. You should have learned that by now.

a.cricket

9 posted on 11/06/2002 5:25:01 PM PST by another cricket
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To: blam
The Brits have gotta get out of this the way we did - Just Say No.

Or is this not permitted for folks in the New and Glorious EU (soon to be Islamic Republic of...)?
10 posted on 11/06/2002 5:29:03 PM PST by livius
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To: blam
The British have eliminated themselves as an effective fighting force. Or former allies are now deffenceless. Idiots. Wonder who they will turn to when they are attacked next time.
11 posted on 11/06/2002 5:48:44 PM PST by monday
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To: monday; MadIvan
"Wonder who they will turn to when they are attacked next time."

The Brits won't allow any of their troops to be prosecuted.

12 posted on 11/06/2002 5:54:49 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
,,, the obvious winning strategy would be to clean up the ICC before cleaning up Iraq.
13 posted on 11/06/2002 5:59:25 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: blam
The Brits won't allow any of their troops to be prosecuted.

I hope so, ferverantly. But they did sign off on this "ICC" BS.

We shall see.

America will not submit to this cR@p.

14 posted on 11/06/2002 6:03:24 PM PST by LibKill
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To: blam
The real question is, to whom does the ICC answer? Who elected these judges? Or what elected officials appointed them? Under whose sovereign constitutional aegis do they operate? The EU is already a terrible gray area, consisting of politicians and judges who are answerable to nobody. If you dislike the fiats they pass down, you have no way to throw them out of office, short of bringing down the whole unrepresentative structure.

The ICC is analogous to the Kyoto Treaty. Every socialist country wants to see it imposing rules on somebody else, but no country wants it imposing rules and expenses on them.

Wake up, Blair.
15 posted on 11/06/2002 6:08:19 PM PST by Cicero
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To: LibKill
"America will not submit to this cR@p."

Just remember, Bill Clinton approved this nightmare!!

16 posted on 11/06/2002 6:32:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Just remember, Bill Clinton approved this nightmare!!

I have not forgotten any of Klintoon's crimes.

17 posted on 11/06/2002 6:51:56 PM PST by LibKill
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To: blam
"The Brits won't allow any of their troops to be prosecuted."

and they won't let them fight either. Why even have troops?

18 posted on 11/06/2002 8:17:33 PM PST by monday
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To: monday
Reservists Ordered To Mobilise (UK)
19 posted on 11/06/2002 8:29:30 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The Brits knew damned well when they sign up for global governance they would also be subjected to the ICC. Politically we were pee pawed by all and the Brits as we stated this at one of the globalist meetings as our reason for not joining. And now they are whining. Or is it their soldiers waking up to being sold?
20 posted on 11/08/2002 3:03:17 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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