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1 posted on 10/31/2002 7:45:26 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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2 posted on 10/31/2002 7:46:00 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
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3 posted on 10/31/2002 7:55:41 AM PST by HogFixer
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Yet another good article on guns that will never, ever be seen in the mainstream media.
4 posted on 10/31/2002 8:03:02 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Sir Gawain
This article hits right to home. About the only news source that I see using it is Fox News.
5 posted on 10/31/2002 8:09:00 AM PST by RollingThunder
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To: Sir Gawain
bttt
6 posted on 10/31/2002 8:10:14 AM PST by lodwick
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To: Sir Gawain
Still, the mad sniper apparently felt safer in disarmed DC

This guy thoroughly wrecks his credibility by centering his article on a gross factual error. The mad snipers committed precisely ONE murder in Washington City, in an area where (on the ground) finding the DC-Maryland border is difficult. The bulk of the murders were committed in Maryland, which although subject to eggregious victim disarmament laws is far from being gun-banned DC. The rest of the murders were committed in Virginia, which is a shall-issue CHP state.

8 posted on 10/31/2002 8:16:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
Good read!
9 posted on 10/31/2002 8:19:02 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: Sir Gawain
Good article. Food for thought. Brings other variables into the kill/no-kill decisions.
10 posted on 10/31/2002 8:20:16 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Sir Gawain; All
What a incredible read!

The best part has to be, "Productive people are mere game animals, trophies for criminals, tax cows for the “official” parasitic class."

Semper Fi

12 posted on 10/31/2002 8:40:56 AM PST by dd5339
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To: Sir Gawain
Even purely defensive body armor is viewed with suspicion and fear by a government which is terrified that it might not be able to shoot its citizens.

And THAT is the real reason to prohibit body armor.

14 posted on 10/31/2002 9:25:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Sir Gawain
bump for rational thought
18 posted on 10/31/2002 10:11:51 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: Sir Gawain
More common sense from the folks at LFET.

Thanks for the post.

L

21 posted on 10/31/2002 12:33:17 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Sir Gawain
While I like the sound of a home protected by an array of non-lethal weapons, nothing is a substitute for Good Old Mister Shotgun and his little Buckshot Buddies.

The problem with turning this discussion over to theorists on both sides is that the debate tends to get sidetracked from the real world into a little either-or fantasy land where the only alternative to everyone being disarmed is everyone being armed - the "OK Corral" scenario so beloved of gun-control propagandists. In fact, neither is the case, and I think that public policy that does not recognize this is bound to be poor public policy.

Carry can be a pain - ask anyone who's ever tried it - and the majority of people won't do it. The idea is to make it so that enough do carry to dissuade persons of criminal intent from the assumption that they have easy marks in fron of them. And this is much more a reflection of what happens in the real world than every granny with an Uzi in her purse ("not that that would be a bad thing...") It is potential, and not actuality, that cuts crime statistics.

For a would-be armed robber, which bus is more intimidating, the one where you know everyone onboard is unarmed, the one where a solitary policeman dozes in the front seat of an otherwise unarmed bus, or the one in which any, or none, or any portion of the passengers may be packing heat but you don't know who? This is the real world - which is the scenario most likely to give the fellow pause?

But legislation is seldom written with the real world in mind, it is written in an attempt to create a perfect world by people too silly to realize the futility of the attempt. Accidental shootings? Legislate a perfect, i.e. electronically-personalized, gun. Hijackings? Legislate a perfect, i.e. unarmed, airplane. Burglary? Legislate a town wherein every home is armed and make it mandatory. Or legislate one in which no home may be so. All solutions in search of a perfect world, and all doomed to practical failure. Unfortunately it seldom occurs to legislators just to leave the damn thing alone. They're not elected to leave anything alone. That would be "disempowering." To them, not to the people who elected them.

23 posted on 10/31/2002 1:03:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Sir Gawain
Molon Labe bump!

>>Blame entropy; what the heck, pass a law against it.

Informed commentary on this point

29 posted on 10/31/2002 4:41:33 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Sir Gawain
BTTT for an excellent article!
30 posted on 10/31/2002 5:07:36 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Sir Gawain; Dan from Michigan
Still, the mad sniper apparently felt safer in disarmed DC than out in the prairies or pastures, where there was just the slightest possibility that he would face someone who could shoot back.

Thanks for the excellent post!

31 posted on 10/31/2002 5:19:43 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Sir Gawain
Too bad Lord Sidious isn't here. He'd like this.
35 posted on 10/31/2002 8:31:51 PM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Sir Gawain
Even purely defensive body armor is viewed with suspicion and fear by a government which is terrified that it might not be able to shoot its citizens.

As such, we civilians are prohibited from owning the mentioned H&K PDW (aka HK MP7) and similar weapons (FN P90). Not just simple prohibition, but comprehensively overlapping restrictions and prohibitions. You are hindered or prohibited from owning an MP7 because it:
- is a select-fire machinegun
- is a short-barreled rifle (collapsing stock)
- fires armor-piercing handgun ammunition (as legally defined)
- semi-auto version would be an assault weapon
- requires a $200 tax to own
- requires approval of local chief law enforcement officer (who is not required to approve)
and probably some others I forgot.

Why is this important? The latest generation of firearms - the first major advancement since the development of the AR-15 in the 1950's - can easily penetrate practically all body armor via a very compact package. And the government won't let you have one...go figure.

36 posted on 10/31/2002 8:48:26 PM PST by ctdonath2
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