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To: Prodigal Son
You can own a firearm in Great Britain. I'm not sure about all the regulations behind it because I've never tried to buy one here- but it is possible to own a firearm.

This is nothing but weasel wording on your part. You cannot legally own a handgun in Britain. You cannot legally defend yourself against agression in Britain. You can own a shotgun, but I understand that it is a very difficult process to get legal approval to do so, and the ownership certification has to be renewed annually.

Think about this- there are more socialists in America than in Great Britain. There are more people that want socialism in America than in Great Britain. If

More weasel wording on your part. Of course it's true because there are one heck of a lot more people in the USA than in Britain. However, Britain has a far more socialist government than the US, and a greater fraction of the people in Britain prefer the common misery that socialism brings than do in the US

The NRA donates money to Socialist Candidates in the States- this is a fact.

I agree, but who mentioned the NRA. I certaintly didn't.

You can pretend the USA is a totally free utopia

Once again you either didn't read what I wrote or chose to ignore it I specifically said, "We aren't especially free in the USA. (Try building on your property if the EPA has declared it a "wetland") But you sure are a hell of a lot less free there than we are here. What you said about lack of freedom in the USA is true. However, there is a continuous gradation from totally free to total tyranny. Some organization (and I forget which) measures freedom in various countries around the world and gives a composite score. I believe that they weight economic freedom (as in low taxes and few regulations and protection on private property) most heavily and then a bunch of other things. As I remember the USA was not at the top of the list (I believe Switzerland, Hong Kong and a couple of others beat the USA, but as I remember the USA was way ahead of Britain.

But if you boycott every entity that doesn't suit you, eventually you wouldn't be able to step out of your yard.

Again it is a matter of comparative priorities. If I would equally enjoy a vacation in Yellowstone or London, then due to the fact that London is in a socialist country where I would not feel personally safe, the decision to go to Yellowstone would win.

But you are absolutely 100% wrong when you call the UK a totalitarian state.

No I'm not. Again there is a continuum from freedom to totalitarianism. Britain is much more of a totalitarian state than is the USA. Russia is more of a totalitarian state than Britain (or it used to be), and Cuba is even worse. Britain is not 100% totalitarian, but it is much close to that unfortunate condition than is the USA.

55 posted on 10/31/2002 9:47:14 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
totalitarian state

All right, here's the thing: there aren't degrees of totalitarianism. Totalitarianism- literally means "total". If there is any degree at all of personal freedom- it cannot be a totalitarian system.

Look, your gripes about Britain are duly noted and appreciated. I have the same gripes as you- I really do. I have never said the US wasn't more free than the UK. What I was trying to point out to you is- the UK is NOT a totalitarian state. I live here dude, I know this. The income taxes are not that high especially when compared to the rest of Europe (except Andorra which has no income tax).

This was hyperbole on your part. Britain is by and large a socialist nanny state. But it is a falsehood that people don't have many of the same freedoms you enjoy in the USA. They are lacking some, this is true. But by the same token, some of their laws are less draconian than some laws in the US and you must admit this as well. In the US it is illegal for people under the age of 21 to buy alcohol. As I pointed out in another post, in Georgia, it is illegal to have sex and people still do get prosecuted for it.

I'm not trying to argue with you. Most of your points are well taken- it's mainly the bit about totalitarianism- which just isn't true.

58 posted on 10/31/2002 10:18:30 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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