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1 posted on 10/28/2002 6:49:15 PM PST by Sabertooth
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2 posted on 10/28/2002 6:49:58 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Bump.
3 posted on 10/28/2002 7:00:44 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Sabertooth
Absolutely stunning article...who is for US?

I understand the reservations that the so-called civil libs have about this - but there must be a way to work around it. It may be that Bush will have to go on TV about it and ask the American people to help him change the rules (are they laws?). An oversight board to ensure civil liberties ( which I thought was the FISA judges?) will be needed.
4 posted on 10/28/2002 7:04:12 PM PST by RandyRep
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To: Sabertooth
THE ELECTION IS IN 8 DAYS
AND I CAN'T VOTE.

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5 posted on 10/28/2002 7:09:46 PM PST by ffrancone
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To: Sabertooth
BUMP
9 posted on 10/28/2002 8:38:33 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Sabertooth
The court's brief on this can be read here: http://cryptome.org/fisa051702.htm

It seems to me the "new Justice Department surveillance rules " do not adequately guard against influence and direction by prosecutors concerned with the criminal investigation when there is both a foreign intelligence and a criminal investigation of a suspect foreign agent.

IMO the purpose of allowing FISA when a 'significant' instead of only purpose of an investigation is foreign intelligence was only to allow more cases to be investigated that way - not to change the way the FISA investigation was done or the info handled.
However, it's good to read this artcle for the administration's side. That has been sorely missed in the reporting!

10 posted on 10/28/2002 9:02:17 PM PST by mrsmith
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But the worst was still to come. In November 2000, the chief judge of the FISA court, Royce Lamberth, blasted the FBI for 75 trivial breaches of the Wall. The Reno Justice Department, it turned out, was unable to abide by the Reno Wall. The "violations" consisted of minor disseminations of FISA information to criminal anti-terror agents, and failures to disclose that FISA suspects were also being investigated for crimes.

After the court's temper tantrum, the Justice Department went into shock and hunkered down completely. The Wall went even higher. Surveillance requests were strangled under miles of red tape.

Fast forward to August 2001. Coleen Rowley and her FBI agents in Minneapolis were furiously banging their fists against the Wall. They desperately sought permission from FBI headquarters to request a search warrant for one Zacarias Moussaoui, an incompetent and highly suspicious flight student associated with Islamic fundamentalists. FBI bureaucrats, however, still petrified by the Lamberth outburst, quashed the warrant inquiry on grounds far more stringent than FISA itself requires.

HAD the Minneapolis agents searched Moussaoui's effects, they would have found leads to two of the 9/11 hijackers and the Hamburg cell that planned the 9/11 attacks.

A day after shutting down the Moussaoui investigation, the same bureaucrats rejected a New York FBI agent's frantic plea to join an 11th-hour search for Khalid Almihdar, an al Qaeda operative at loose in the country.

The agent and his men were on the wrong side of the Wall: They were anti-terror criminal investigators, and Almihdar was not yet under investigation for a crime. Almihdar was never found. Thirteen days later, he commandeered American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

Royce Lamberth... isn't he Larry Klayman's favorite judge?




11 posted on 10/28/2002 9:10:00 PM PST by Sabertooth
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This is the lady we saw at the last YR meeting.
12 posted on 10/28/2002 9:33:48 PM PST by Clemenza
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Jake Reno was a one person it in disabling and deballing the FBI, Justice and probably helped in making the CIA basically worthless.

What a terrible person Reno is. What terrible things Reno has done to this country.
14 posted on 10/28/2002 11:31:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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