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1 posted on 10/26/2002 6:07:30 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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Murder and Nation of Islam have flirted before. Weren't Malcom X's assasins members of Elija Muhammed's NoI???
2 posted on 10/26/2002 6:09:40 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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I think they should vote on it....get our enemies on the record.
3 posted on 10/26/2002 6:10:59 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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Calypso Louie had no wiggle room to lie on this one. That's the only reason for the candor.

How convenient that this so called Nation of Islam disowns John Mohammed only after he's killed a bunch of Blacks and others. The school boy the sniper shot is black and is in pretty rough shape. W/ years of rehab ahead of him.
7 posted on 10/26/2002 6:13:09 PM PDT by dennisw
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Apparently JAM was a major wannabee, and bragged about his work with the FBI and CIA while in Antigua after having abducted his three kids. I wouldn't be surprised if he added having worked security for the MMM as another tall tale.
8 posted on 10/26/2002 6:13:19 PM PDT by Katya
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Farrakhan's a louse and his organization is lousey. Ousting Muhammad won't change a thing.
11 posted on 10/26/2002 6:14:13 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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""Those who knew him never said ugly things about his conduct or his behavior," Farrakhan said."

Perhaps those who knew him did not consider his conduct or behavior to be worthy of condemnation.
12 posted on 10/26/2002 6:14:52 PM PDT by billhilly
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I'm just waiting for Fora-con to declare a jihad against the U.S.
14 posted on 10/26/2002 6:21:20 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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I'm still trying to figure out Farrakhan's million man's math.

5.56mm

15 posted on 10/26/2002 6:24:00 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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I see we posted this at the same time tonight that is wild! Nation of Islam and Black Muslim Terrorist right from Louies group of anti-Americans.
16 posted on 10/26/2002 6:31:09 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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Farrakhan said Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1997 but that he had not been in contact with the group since 1999, when he was involved in a domestic dispute with his wife, also a member of the group.

Yes, Carol Mohammad tells us how when John Mohammad ran off to Antiqua with the children and she became ill and had no money, she turned to the church which offered her no assistance. No help what so ever.

17 posted on 10/26/2002 6:34:22 PM PDT by TexKat
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Of course, every religious group has their share of murderers. It's rather entertaining to see people pontificate about the extremists of other religions.
21 posted on 10/26/2002 6:51:08 PM PDT by LiberalBuster
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Don't forget to change your clocks tonight...Fall behind (turn back) One hour


32 posted on 10/26/2002 7:26:34 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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LOL since when has Farrakhan had any sense of the laws or morality to kick out the shooter if convicted?
34 posted on 10/26/2002 7:27:58 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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"Those who knew him never said ugly things about his conduct or his behavior," Farrakhan said.

Is Farrakhan saying that he knows people who knew Muhammad? Potential character witnesses? He sure seems to imply that. Who does Farrakhan know?

Whoever it is, it sure isn't the Rev. Al Archer.

35 posted on 10/26/2002 7:29:30 PM PDT by lwd
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His name uhhh duuuuh Mohammed, along with the Americanized name was a sure give away.
37 posted on 10/26/2002 7:35:11 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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38 posted on 10/26/2002 7:35:19 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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Farrakhan said he "grieves for the senseless loss of life" caused by the sniper shootings.

Well that's more than we usually get from Muslim leaders.

39 posted on 10/26/2002 7:37:13 PM PDT by Plutarch
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My, oh my, not a very forgiving preacher man, is he. My religion forgives the sinner. Huh, what a surpise.

TC

46 posted on 10/26/2002 8:04:04 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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Wouldn't it be interesting to learn if there is any money from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran or Libya - trickling into Nation of Islam???

And, for what purpose?

If our government refuses to investigate NOI and Jesse Jackson on the basis of their hate talk and anti-American rabble rousing -- who will?

Where is the line between Free Speech and Inciting to Riot or Treason?

I'm sure a white trash mob -- wouldn't be granted so much "leeway" as these bastards are given...

Semper Fi
48 posted on 10/26/2002 8:31:04 PM PDT by river rat
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Farrakhan Acknowledges Sniper as Member of NOI
NewsMax Staff
Monday, Oct. 28, 2002
"Those who knew him never said ugly things about his conduct or his behavior," Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan said, acknowledging that suspected D.C.-area sniper John Allen Muhammad is a member of the NOI, a group that combines Islam with Black nationalism.

Farrakhan made the announcement during a press conference Saturday at Chicago’s Mosque Maryam, noting that Muhammad would be dismissed from the Chicago-based group if convicted of the shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded in Maryland, the District of Columbia and Virginia.

"He has not formally been kicked out of the Nation of Islam, but certainly if he's found guilty of something like this he would not be considered at all a member of the Nation of Islam," Farrakhan said, adding that he "grieves for the senseless loss of life" caused by the sniper.

Muhammad’s possible link to the NOI had been a topic of speculation since a neighbor of Muhammad in Tacoma, Wash. told reporters that he believed the suspect had been a part of Farrakhan’s security detail during the Farrakhan-sponsored "Million Man March" in Washington.

Farrakhan specifically denied that Mohammad had served on his personal detail at the march, admitting, however, "He might well have been there."

Victim and Sniper Both at March

Ironically, sniper victim Kenneth Bridges attended the 1995 Million Man March and, according to published reports, used it as an inspiration in co-founding the MATAH Network, Inc., a black-owned Internet business catering to the needs of black consumers.

Bridges, a social activist and father of six from the Philadelphia area, was shot at a Fredericksburg, Va. gas station Oct. 11.

Although it was being reported that Mohammad had converted to Islam as early as 1985, Farrakhan said that the sniper suspect had not formally joined the religious group until 1997. Furthermore, the NOI leader reported that the suspect had not had any formal contact with the group since 1999.

In that year Mohammad reportedly was involved in a domestic dispute with his wife, who is also a member of NOI.

Farrahkan also confirmed that Muhammad had changed his name from John Allen Williams after converting to Islam.

In the meantime, Muslims around the country have found news of the sniper suspect's faith a cause for consternation.

According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, some Muslims in Atlanta have voiced concern that Muhammad had again placed a stain on a peaceful religion - just as it was recovering from the Sept. 11 hijackers, also Muslims.

Others, said the report, opined that a true Muslim would never boast he is God, as the sniper did in a note at one of the shootings.

'The Five Percent'

This latest speculation about the infamous "I am God” boast by the sniper has given rise to the theory that Mohammad was an adherent to a splinter group of the NOI known as "Five Percenters.”

According to the teachings of the splinter Muslim sect’s founder, Clarence 13X, once a black man achieved mastery of self, he became God, to the extent that he controlled his own destiny. Five Percent men refer to themselves as Gods and women as Earths, and the religion is commonly referred to as The Nation of Gods and Earths.

Founded by Clarence 13X in New York’s Harlem in 1964, by the mid-seventies Five Percenters had become part of the African-American inner city experience, and 10 years later the group had spread to Los Angeles and other West coast locations.

Clarence 13X's preaching was characteristically delivered in a "rap" that appealed to New York City youth. Early on, the group won converts by the hundreds, and currently the group numbers in the tens of thousands in New York City alone.

Contemporary rap artists like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Lakim Shabazz have used the Five Percent flag, which prominently features a star, on album covers and have written lyrics influenced by its doctrine.

One of the messages left by the sniper was surrounded by a border of stars.

Five Percent has proved attractive to the younger element, who apparently relish that the religion features no leader and the group's meetings, called parliaments, generally occur in public places.

Clarence 13X was killed by unknown assailants in New York City, but Five Percenters believe city police were behind the killing.

Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics:

Sniper Shootings

51 posted on 10/27/2002 5:04:14 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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