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Police spotted suspects' car 10 times during sniper spree (PC killed more innocents!)
Washington Post via Mecury News Link ^ | 26 Oct 2002 | Craig Whitlock and Josh White

Posted on 10/26/2002 7:14:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

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To: quebecois
..those of us outside the matrix

OOOOO..an analogy to "The Matrix".

I like it...can I use it?

41 posted on 10/26/2002 8:03:19 AM PDT by evad
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To: quebecois
"ration discussion"?

Is this a vittles topic? .. or just more food for thought?

42 posted on 10/26/2002 8:06:15 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: oldcomputerguy
When you look at the PC driven investigations, the good evidence/reports is often buried or trashed in the first 2 or 3 days. That way their PC agenda of who the probable Perps might be set into motion.

It was so bad that the killer couldn't even talk to those collecting the data.

When Moose stood up and had a mail in tip address with a corrected zip code in today's world of emails, faxes, phones and voice mail, we knew that they were not interested in tips. How slow is the mail in that area? What if someone in Tacoma, Washington or in Alabama had a tip and mailed it in?
43 posted on 10/26/2002 8:07:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: nmh
No one would have believed them if they spray painted with International Glow Orange on the Caprice: WE ARE THE SNIPERS! PLEASE ARREST US AND STOP FROM KILLING!

They were Black and driving a dark colored Caprice not white guys in a white van. So they would have been dismissed as kooks.

44 posted on 10/26/2002 8:10:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
what gets me is that the car seems to have been physically altered to be a shooting platform - a cut-out in the trunk, and a rear seat removed so that the shooter could lie down - and the police did not notice this.

also did they enter all the license plate numbers of the cars they stopped? yes, because they know they had stopped this car 10 times. so where is the search that pulls up all the plates that show up twice, thrice, five times, ten times?

45 posted on 10/26/2002 8:14:52 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Beelzebubba
None of your assumptions are wrong!

Most good police work is not brillant. It is hard work to find linking data/facts that leave a trail to the bad guy.

I still believe that most street cops want to do this dirty work to find the bad guys. However in many cases their PC police chiefs don't want the bad guys caught.

I'm reposting part of your comments with no comments from me, except to say, you probably are not the first to raise this question: "Another thought: there may have been some voice scrambling employed, but if not, those various calls must have provided the politically incorrect probability that it was a black man's voice on the line. If so, was this critically useful piece of information withheld from the public for political reasons?"
46 posted on 10/26/2002 8:16:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Beelzebubba
Thanks yours is the best summary yet. I am glad that they were caught but the cheek kissing is killing me...
47 posted on 10/26/2002 8:18:38 AM PDT by Afronaut
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To: Grampa Dave
Part of my job is doing statistical analysis, looking for trends in what seems like chaos. Databasing the license plates of all the car that were stopped at the roadblocks set up after each shooting would have been childs play. I am stunned that this was not being done.
48 posted on 10/26/2002 8:19:25 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Clovis_Skeptic; ladyinred; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shermy; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, I wondered how the Fresno Bee would handle the reality that a member of the Nation Islam was a black serial killer of innocents. However, I could have written the headlines and cover story they and others will use.

Hey, isn't it great news as PC Moose noted, "That evil Bushmaster gun is off the streets. That evil gun can't kill anyone."

A sidebar, John Muhammed, the Nation of Islam body guard and serial killer, lived in Pinole, Ca. and served in the Monterey area while in the army.

I have to wonder if any of his frequent flyer trips from Bellingham, Wash. involved a trip to the former al Fuqra encampment in Clovis that you exposed just about a year ago.
Maybe he gave graduate school lessons in how to be a sniper and to kill innocent Americans to some of the great people in that former al Fuqra encampment.

Thanks for your links of Moose to Jake Reno and Bill the Clintoon.

49 posted on 10/26/2002 8:24:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
If I were a family member of one of the later victims, I'd sue the racist bastards.
50 posted on 10/26/2002 8:26:06 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Grampa Dave
We must NEVER be accused of racial profiling.
51 posted on 10/26/2002 8:28:03 AM PDT by hgro
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To: quebecois
What a great two paragraph summary/description of Political Correctness in our society:

Political correctness is the ultimate example of the old story about "the emperor's new clothes". The liberals have imposed a social belief system on america for which there is no rational defense...thus in order to maintain the system, they must rely of the creation of social taboos. This allows them to avoid ration discussion, and simply utilize social ostracism.

This results in some truly amazing things. Namely, those of us outside the matrix of PC mind control watch with our mouths agape as otherwise intelligent persons talk and behave as though they don't recognize facts which everyone knows exist around them. Its like a self-imposed game of mental pretend.

I have been amazed at the Freepers who consider themselves conservatives doing exactly what you noted in your second paragraph. They live/lived in a world of self-imposed game of mental pretend when it came to this terrible example of Political Correctness unfolding in front of America.

52 posted on 10/26/2002 8:28:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: spycatcher
Funny rumor from another post too that they weren't really "sleeping" at the rest stop either.

On one of the shows last night they interviewed the truck driver who had pulled into the rest stop and then called the police. He said the younger man Malvo was standing outside of the car. When asked about the fact, the police said the suspects were sleeping, he said; "Well then, he must have fallen asleep pretty fast because he was standing outside the vehicle when I came down in there."

He also said that another trucker came and they were asked by the police to block the entrance and exit with their trucks so they did.

53 posted on 10/26/2002 8:32:29 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Jeff Head; Tennessee_Bob; Howlin; Alamo-Girl; rintense
Thread worth reading, IMO.
54 posted on 10/26/2002 8:34:27 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Beelzebubba
Bb posted, If I were a family member of one of the later victims, I'd sue the racist bastards.

That is how the PCing of police departments will start to fade away.

Someone will hire a good Civil Court Trial Lawyer. In the trial we will see that the real evidence that was spiked and how the PC agendas were advanced will be documented. Then the good cops will tell the truth in the Civil Courts.

The only problem is the city/county that hired the PC police chief will settle out of court.

This was brought up last night at our dinner party. One of the wives said the poor white guys who drove a white van and were pulled out at gun point and laid down on the cold pavement should sue all who put this BS out. Then their wives should sue for some type of mental damages after seeing a picture of their husbands face down on the Beltway with a riotgun aimed at their head. We are lucky that some innocent white guy in a white van wasn't killed. Not only would his life have ended, the poor cop who did the shooting would have been destroyed.

I wish that someone could find some of those grim photos of the innocent guys on the pavement and post them here.

55 posted on 10/26/2002 8:37:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: hgro
It is okay to profile white guys who drive evil white vehicles.
56 posted on 10/26/2002 8:39:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Thanks for the heads up!
57 posted on 10/26/2002 8:39:40 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: randita
And everyone was marveling at how easily these people just disappeared into thin air after each shooting.

They simply melted into the fog of liberal racism.

58 posted on 10/26/2002 8:39:45 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Grampa Dave
This wasn't even due to PC, although PC played a big roll in it.

This is just plain really bad police work. What good is a database if you don't use it?

If you can't find the car, either he is:

(A) not getting stopped at your roadblock, or

(B) being stopped, but being let go.

There just aren't any other possibilities. To check (B) you just search your database for cars with multiple stops. What are the odds that the same car would be at more than one shooting site? How about more than two?

By the third roadblock stop for the same car this thing should have been wrapped up.

And, by the way, this is not exactly rocket science. A perfect example is that this is the way they finally caught "Son of Sam". Thye New York Police searched their ticket database and after exhaustive looking finally got him through a parking ticket near one of the shootings.

That job was a lot harder, they had to sort throught lots of tickets. In this instance they had the example of how to do it, and a large number of roadblocks, where clearly license numbers had been recorded.

59 posted on 10/26/2002 8:41:04 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Spunky
It will be very interesting to get this trucker's real story and the time line of events.

Again, it appears, that we are seeing the PCers try to modify the news and change history.
60 posted on 10/26/2002 8:41:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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