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Evolution upset: Oxygen-making microbes came last, not first
spaceref.com ^ | 25 Oct 02 | Geological Society of America

Posted on 10/25/2002 4:06:49 PM PDT by RightWhale

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Thought I might test the robustness of the database. This is in Culture because it is about bacteria. Besides that, the C/R debate might be a little sparse today, so some actual science might get through.
1 posted on 10/25/2002 4:06:49 PM PDT by RightWhale
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Get ready to rewrite those biology textbooks - again.

Evolution vs. Creation thread #2,558,946,287

2 posted on 10/25/2002 4:22:33 PM PDT by Zon
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To: RightWhale
Blast the slow response

Alma Mater BTTT

3 posted on 10/25/2002 4:25:24 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: RightWhale; gore3000; f.Christian; scripter; *crevo_list
Pong for acidophilus
4 posted on 10/25/2002 4:31:17 PM PDT by AndrewC
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Marker
5 posted on 10/25/2002 4:43:33 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: RightWhale
Marker
6 posted on 10/25/2002 4:44:49 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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>>...What paleontologists and geologists have had to do is reconstruct evolutionary events...<<

Oh no. Not AGAIN!
7 posted on 10/25/2002 5:00:08 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: RightWhale
I am anxiously awaiting the first creationist to somehow read this as a refutation of evolution. It will be shocking how they will miss the casual mentioning of billion year time frames and the evolution based science upon which this discovery is based upon.

Just wondering, does this mean cyanobacteria goes to heaven? Or that god actually likes other bacteria better? Pardon my ignorance, as I skipped that week at sunday school.
8 posted on 10/25/2002 5:02:07 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: RightWhale
Science does not change the minds of fanatics. There is always another explanation coming for any new discovery. The Miller experiments used to "prove" abiogenesis. When the early atmosphere was found not likely to be as he supposed then the fanatics supposed something else while still clinging to the previous disproved supposition. A little more or less oxygen is a small problem for those who will reject the idea of God at any cost. They can suppose that oxygen came from somewhere else or ignore the implications of the lack of it. The important thing is to keep pretending that their speculation is science.

The Blind Atheist

9 posted on 10/25/2002 5:09:48 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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I am anxiously awaiting the first creationist to somehow read this as a refutation of evolution. It will be shocking how they will miss the casual mentioning of billion year time frames and the evolution based science upon which this discovery is based upon.

Not really -- most creationists are quite comfortable with billion year time frames. However, many of us with science training (my degrees are in chemistry and chemical engineering) find the evolutionary theory of the week about as compelling as the notion that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. It's not any imagined conflict with religion that bothers me (I see no conflict) but rather the shaky science.

10 posted on 10/25/2002 5:15:27 PM PDT by DallasMike
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I was under the impression that we lived in a giant earth fart. Since the original primordial atmosphere was stripped away when the Sun went into the T-Tauri stage, all current atmospheric gases were derived from volcanic outgassing and have been modified by biological activity. The notion that thiobacilli predate algae makes sense since black smokers were a plentiful and uncontested food source billions of years ago.
11 posted on 10/25/2002 5:16:51 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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I am anxiously awaiting the first creationist to somehow read this as a refutation of evolution.

Of course we know that it cannot be a refutation of Darwininian evolution. That is due to the just-so nature of Darwininianism. It is not falsifiable, as everything is proof of Darwininian evolution.

12 posted on 10/25/2002 5:17:10 PM PDT by AndrewC
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Of course we know that it cannot be a refutation of Darwininian evolution. That is due to the just-so nature of Darwininianism. It is not falsifiable, as everything is proof of Darwininian evolution.

My vote for quote of the week!

13 posted on 10/25/2002 5:22:37 PM PDT by DallasMike
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It's not any imagined conflict with religion that bothers me (I see no conflict) but rather the shaky science.

Which aspect of this finding is shaky?

14 posted on 10/25/2002 5:24:45 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: DallasMike
It's not any imagined conflict with religion that bothers me (I see no conflict) but rather the shaky science.

Which aspect of this finding is shaky?

15 posted on 10/25/2002 5:25:31 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: whattajoke
Just wondering, does this mean cyanobacteria goes to heaven?

Yes, they go to cyanobacteria heaven, just down the road from hog, Rock and Roll and seventh heaven.

16 posted on 10/25/2002 5:29:04 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: RightWhale
Well, guess again. Argumentative folks have hijacked your science thread anyway.

Personally speaking, from a layman's point of view, I don't like all the guesswork of the gene-mutation theories.

Perhaps you've seen the Gary Larson "Farside" cartoon, where a scientist has drawn this incredibly complex formula on the blackboard. At the bottom of the formula, he's written, "and then a miracle happens,....." That's what I think of the notion that mutations happen at some constant rate.
17 posted on 10/25/2002 5:31:11 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: DallasMike
It's not any imagined conflict with religion that bothers me (I see no conflict) but rather the shaky science.

What part about this finding is shaky?

18 posted on 10/25/2002 5:31:14 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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Where has this lady been? I learned this thirty years ago studying ocean engineering (no I don't practice in that field). The ocean bio classes of the 70s had it figured out that the sulfer based life forms dominated for a very long time before the blue-greens came around. There is nothing new in her so called discovery.
19 posted on 10/25/2002 5:31:50 PM PDT by Traction
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Self-correcting-science ping (but I don't know why I bother, given some obtuse and non-self-correcting posters).
20 posted on 10/25/2002 5:33:31 PM PDT by Aracelis
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