The Current Status of the Smith & Wesson Agreement with the ATF and State Governments.

10-10-2002 | VANNROX

[vannrox]

For your comment and input.

[vannrox]

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[Wonder Warthog]

So have you tried calling the new management of Smith and Wesson?? It seems to me that this change of ownership could have a significant effect. I seem to recall reading in the NRA magazine that the new ownership had disavowed the agreement.

[Blood of Tyrants]

From what I understand, the new management uses weasel words and will not answer directly to any question about their cozy relationship with the ATF.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Some of the Gun-Control crowd insist in a Police "Override" capability and even argue for a built in tracking device!

Anyone wonder why I prefer my old fashioned "dumb" guns?

[San Jacinto]

I will not have a S&W -- new or used. There are plenty of good alternatives. I would like to see S&W's become literally worthless, with no demand and no value. It would serve as a good example for the other manufacturers.

[Cicero]

The last I heard, Smith & Wesson was still on the clinton hook.

Until we hear otherwise, it seems to me that the boycott should continue.

[IronJack]

Excellent research. All the more reason to avoid Smith & Wesson like a Nile mosquito. There are better pistols available without any of the political baggage attached. The last thing we want to do is lend any default approval to these collaborators.

[Shooter 2.5]

I suppose everyone can go out and buy some Chicom POS if it makes them feel better. That will make a lot of sense.

[Shooter 2.5]

There are better pistols available without any of the political baggage attached.

If there are, I'd like to hear which ones those are.

[Double Tap]

Phone conversations that my father has had with some of the new management are interesting. They blame S&W's problems on the consumer, for boycotting them. They say that the contracts have not been desolved, but they are not being enforced at this time.

As to buying used S&W's, I will. They are good guns, except for the Sigma line and the SW99, and no moneys are going to the company from the purchase. You will not ever find a better trigger pull than on S&W revolvers.

[OXENinFLA]

Well written, I'll have to print this out and pass this along.

I would also like to ask how you think the current situation going on in DC (the sniper) is going to effect the gun grabbers ability to implement some of these horrendous ideas to take away our guns?

I would state for the record that I am a gun owner and believe that our gun rights "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

P.S. thanks for taking the time to research and write this article

[mamelukesabre]

I tend to agree with you.

I am in favor of a S&W boycott, but I don't see why an old classic S&W revolver should be included in that boycott. I love those old revolvers and as far as I'm concerned, they have nothing to do with the current company or the company that made the deal with the ATF and clinton. Companies change hands and become new companies. THe only thing they have in common is the name.

Do you think if you go out and buy a brand new jeep that it is made by the same company that made the classic kaiser-jeep? I don't.

[mamelukesabre]

If you're talking revolvers, there ain't a better gun out there. BUt semi autos is a different story. THere's lots of top quality semi autos out there not made by S&W.

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm still waiting for a handgun that doesn't have the "political baggage" as IronJack mentioned.

More to the point, this is the last line to the article:

"I have been UNABLE to verify that ATF and SMith & Wession has Resended the agreement."

So what's the point of the article? The company was sold from a British company to an American Company, The CEO was canned, and the last line of the article still doesn't say whether or not the new owners have a contract.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I suppose everyone can go out and buy some Chicom POS if it makes them feel better. That will make a lot of sense."

Lots of "non-Chicom" handguns out there. The Taurus .357 revolver I have seems to be quite satisfactory.

[CalConservative]

There are better pistols available without any of the political baggage attached.

If there are, I'd like to hear which ones those are.

I do like my Para-Ordnance 7.45 LDA. I think it is an excellent pistol for the price.

[Shooter 2.5]

Browning and Taurus are the only guns I can think of that never had to work under the type of agreement that S&W had to agree to. Colt? They dumped their self defense line. Para-Ordinance? The company is in a country where they can't even sell to their own citizens. Kimber? Guess who make their frames. Any foreign manufacturers other than Taurus? More governmental restrictions.

[mamelukesabre]

WHat's this about kimber? Who makes their frames?