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Homecoming, Did the US spit on Viet Nam Vets?
The book Homecoming. | 1989 | Bob Greene

Posted on 10/19/2002 3:53:18 PM PDT by Exton1

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To: Lokibob
*I got spit on in SF airport too.

If I saw a anti-war idiot spit on a returning GI now ... jail or no jail that clown would lose some teeth

61 posted on 10/20/2002 12:50:27 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: Exton1
And that is just why I am so against today's peace rallies, I remember the VN war protests. The ones here by college kids, and the ones in Europe by Bill Clinton and the ones in VN by Jane Fonda. It is like spitting on our military who go in our place to defend liberty!

If you get a change to visit the VN War memorial, The Wall, please go. It is so moving. I found the names of two boys who died in VN, boys I grew up with. I did pencil rubbings of their names. Ricky James and Larry Henshaw of Sapulpa Okla. HS class of 1968. Beautiful wonderful promising young men, gone, but never forgotten. Thank you Ricky and Larry for your sacrifice. Shame on all peace protestors everywhere.

62 posted on 10/20/2002 12:51:18 PM PDT by buffyt
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To: clamper1797
Satisfactory!
63 posted on 10/20/2002 12:53:30 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
And so recorded !!!!
64 posted on 10/20/2002 12:56:29 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: COB1; Straight Vermonter; Vroomfondel; Commander8; SERE_DOC; Exton1; Militiaman7; Jim Robinson; ...
From just one simple person, I say thanks to all.  It has been tough but 30 some odd years has helped.
 
I was going to talk about the V.A. but got distracted with this:
 
 
While looking for a pin called "Vietnam Brothers Forever", I found this.  You can bet this company will not get my money. (the red and large font) is mine!! 
 
 
hat_eagle.jpg Hat American Eagle Direct Embroidered
$18.00 $16.00 On Sale!
Dirert Embroidered American Eagle with Flag, USA on the bill, Quality CraftsmanShip, Produced for US Companies, Made in Vietnam--
 
 
 
 
 

 
I generally buy a handful of "Vietnam Brothers Forever" hat pins and when I go to the V.A. hospital, give them away.  The guys love them.
 
 

This is off topic but something I wrote about the V.A.

 

MY DOCTORS APPOINTMENT-

All of this is true-

Got into the VA hospital for a routine exam, but as the day turned out, it was anything but routine.

Decided that the first order of business was a cup of coffee and a donut. Went down to this little alcove where they give away coffee for donations. There was this little old lady, about 80, pouring coffee into the pot. A guy in a wheel chair asked for one of her donuts. She laid into him, calling him a poor imitation of a man, telling him to wait this turn, etc. He said “excuuuuuuse MEEEE”, with sarcasm. Then she let into him, me, 3 other guys, and another lady. She said “we never get any tips for all the coffee we make, the napkins we give away, the cups, or anything”. Unfortunately, I started laughing, and she noticed it. Then it was my turn. She turned her wrath on me. I listened until she ran down (about a min or two). When she paused to take a breath, I quietly asked her what she was like when she had a bad day? That brought down the onlookers, everybody just roared. Smoke started coming out of her ears. She said that she wasn’t going to volunteer any more Mondays. And she tottered off down the hall.

My appointment came. The nurse called me into the room, gave me one of those paper dresses they call a gown, and told me to strip to my skivvies. I did. Got on the examination table, laid down and waited. Guess what, a lady doctor walks in, introduces her self as Dr. XXX, from the Middle East. I’m not going to say anything, but thoughts did go thru my mind.

Dr. XXX starts typing on the computer, with her back to me. I noticed that the exam table had stirrups on the end, so I stuck my heels into them. She turned around, saw what I had done, and said “I don’t think that is necessary”. It went down hill from there.

She listened to my heart, heard a murmur (I have had it all my life) and asked me what the source of the murmur was? I was at a loss for words, couldn’t remember the correct word, so I said “ Genital?”. She said, in her accent “you mean congenital?”. After I quit giggling, I said “yes”.

As she was pulling on the rubber gloves and coating them with KY jelly, she said “ jump off the table, and pull down your underwear”. Not wanting to get ahead of her, I waited for the dreaded words “bend over”. She said them, and I did. She said “spread your cheeks”, soooo, I reached up and pulled the cheeks on my face apart. Bad mistake, this lady didn’t have a sense of humor at all. After I started obeying her commands, I found out why she used the KY jelly all over the glove. It is a good thing she wasn’t wearing a watch.

She said, “pull up your underwear”. I did, she then said “get up on the table“, I started to, when she said “ wait I want to see....”. She only got that far, when I pulled down the underwear, knowing she was going to check out other parts. She finished her sentence “..... your feet and legs”. Then she giggled. There is one thing a man doesn’t want to have happen. Stand in front of your female Doctor, naked, and have her giggle.

This Doctor had no tact. Her next question to me was if I wanted a prescription for Viagra? I couldn’t have been more embarrassed, so I said “sure, bring it on”. She asked me how many I needed in a month, I said 15. She looked at me sternly and said “ now, realistically, how many do you need in a year?” I said “realistically, give me 3 for the year, I can throw away the 2 left over”.

Exam was over, so I went down the hall to the coffee pot. The volunteer wasn’t there, so I got a cup of coffee, went to the phone, to set up my next appointment. Damn, the volunteer was there, by the phones. She told me in no uncertain terms that I wasn’t allowed in that part of the hospital with coffee or food. I innocently asked her why she had coffee on her cart then. She told me that it wasn’t any of my business, but she was delivering coffee to the nurses. I asked her for a refill, but she refused.

Went out to the courtyard for a cigarette. Doc XXX was there, being served coffee by the volunteer. Dr. XXX asked me why I didn’t tell her I smoked. I said “after 20 years in the Army, I don’t volunteer anything; besides, I like to smoke.” She said “when you are sucking oxygen off a little roll around cart; I’ll have a bumper sticker printed up that says ”I LIKE TO SMOKE””. She put me on a no smoking program, right then and there.  


65 posted on 10/20/2002 1:52:45 PM PDT by Lokibob
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To: ppaul
good for them - this should be an annual event sponsored by the US Government.
66 posted on 10/20/2002 2:30:57 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: Lokibob
LOL!
Great story, Lokibob!
I can relate to all of it!
67 posted on 10/20/2002 2:32:20 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Exton1
The closet I came to combat was carrying the last of the body bags from helo to ship's morgue (LPH-11). I am forever in debt to those who were in country in my place. I will continue to ask their forgiveness for not paying attention during my self-serving youth, for I carry that guilt with me always.

God bless those who were injured and perished; God bless those who retain the nightmares of war; and God bless those who will experience it in the future.

68 posted on 10/20/2002 3:22:35 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: clamper1797
Consider the source; spitting was the only contact with fluid many of the spitters ever had, it certainly didn't include soap and water. Frankly, their spit (and disgusting conduct) pales next to the spit from the architects of the war, particularly Robert McNamara, who did everything he could to ingratiate himself with the elites in academia, Hollywood and the news media by trashing the veterans, those who had to put his idiotic strategy into play and paid the price for his defective mind. Read McNamara's self-serving "book" someday (throughout he claims "WE were wrong" when HE was the mastermind) that was used publicly and directly by Clinton to justify his draft dodging ("I think it does" when asked by Wolf Blitzer whether McNamara's "book" did just that). McNamara's "appreciation" is evident in his one mention of the combat veterans in a minor footnote, while he falls all over himself licking the boots of a protester who burned himself to death in front of his Pentagon office.
69 posted on 10/20/2002 6:17:38 PM PDT by laconic
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To: Exton1
I was spat on while waiting for my flight home...San Francisco Airport Sept 1969

We were told that it would be a good idea for us to change into civilian clothes as protestors were attacking returning Vietnam vets..

The protestors were waiting for us at the airport ...they were somewhat restrained by the police but many would break through the barracades to throw stuff at us...As I recall they were throwing dog crap wrapped in sandwitch bags and the occasional rock.

A Marine and I were both hoping to catch a standby ride to Chicago and were waiting to hear if we could get on the next flight out..when a very pretty young blonde girl in a blue flowered dress came up to us and asked us if we had just gotten back from Vietnam ...we both enthusiastically said yes..(she was really pretty) ...she frowned called us "baby killers" and spat on both of us.

The Marine was closer and came out of shock quicker than I did and hit her in the face...with the back of his hand...she went down pretty hard and the next thing I knew there were cops all over us...in the end they hauled her away and he and I sat there for a while and were pretty upset not believing what was happening in our country...

We had just about giving up on trying to get a standby flight as everything was booked..when we were told the airline was bringing a Chicago bound flight back to the boarding area..They kicked two hippies off the flight who were flying standby and who had gotten into first class...The hippies were told that military standbys had precedence...and were ranting and raving as they had to give up their seats to us... (explative deleted)...

The passengers cheered as they were kicked off and we boarded.. bringing big smiles to us both..

I've pretty much disliked UC Berkeley students ever since...Univ of Wi. Profs werent much better they just learned to spit with their grade books

Little did we know then that these same bastards would take over the Democratic party and one of their kind would actually be elected President..and many more would help themselves to positions of power as congresspersons, senators ,heads of state, and take over the top law enforcement jobs and even serve as intelligence agents..
70 posted on 10/20/2002 9:11:31 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Exton1
Bump
71 posted on 10/20/2002 9:13:32 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Exton1
The person who spat on me was wearing a shirt that said “Welcome Home Baby Killer.” Now I am sure that this person did not represent all people in the US.

No not at all, but these people haven't gone away, they grew up and became Clinton/Gore supporters.

They're still here, and mostly unapologetic.(sp?)

72 posted on 10/20/2002 9:29:12 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: joesnuffy
Little did we know then that these same bastards would take over the Democratic party and one of their kind would actually be elected President..and many more would help themselves to positions of power as congresspersons, senators ,heads of state, and take over the top law enforcement jobs and even serve as intelligence agents..

That's right, and they're still spitting...

73 posted on 10/20/2002 9:37:47 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: fire_eye
I am absolutely ecstatic that you made your decision. My branch, the Navy, certainly didn't need morons like you!

I guess you never thought deeply about how freedom is protected.
74 posted on 10/20/2002 9:39:29 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: Dave Dilegge
To those of you not familiar, 1st Batallion 9th Marines in 1966 gave themselves the nickname "The Walking Dead". Because they took so many casualties. Most of the young men (kids in reality age wise, men by their deeds) went to 1/9 in 1965/1966 and most were K.I.A. including my pal "Frenchy", a French Canadian who voluntarily joined the Marine Corps (our serial numbers were in sequence as we enlisted together) to speed up the process of becoming an AMERICAN CITIZEN. When I buy the "poppy cards" at V.F.W. posts, they are ALWAYS dedicated to 1/9.

Oh, by the way, the first Marine casualties in Desert Storm served in 1/9.

75 posted on 10/20/2002 9:54:40 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: muawiyah
Came back from Germany, not Nam, to Philadelphia, in February 1969. Bunch of us were DEROSing and wanted to get tickets to fly to our homes. Everybody was in Class A uniform.

We could not get on the planes. Students on standby had no difficulty.

I came back from Nam in January, 1969, through Seattle. I flew military standby with not trouble, visiting everyone I knew on the way home. Military standby was supposed to have the lowest priority, but I was never bumped. Made every flight I stood for. Of course I mostly flew the red-eye, late night flights.

76 posted on 10/20/2002 10:00:39 PM PDT by js1138
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To: fire_eye
You wrote blah, blah, blah .... So, I dodged the draft .....

You should be ashamed ..... very very ashamed !

77 posted on 10/20/2002 10:02:42 PM PDT by Little John
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To: gcruse
Heck I spent most of my time in the Danang area as a "remf", there was no hospital at china beach, just a beach to fill sandbags at, I surfed there a couple of times until some mortar rounds came in, then we "went DI-di".
78 posted on 10/20/2002 10:05:12 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: Exton1
Yep...it happened to me and a lot of my pals as well. I did not go to Nam but many of my friends did. I was in uniform,(SGT. USAF 72' to 76') and my two brothers as well, (Lt. Army older Bro.) and (SGT. USMC younger Bro.). I was called a Baby Killer and spat upon many times and some of my pals were even mugged by groups of people during those years. I had rocks thrown at me too and was cornered one night by five guys while in uniform. One of them had a .32 cal pistol pointed at me and another had a knife (Bowie 8" Blade). I walked away from that one without a scratch and this is all I will say about that.

The first time I went home by bus I started walking from the station to my home. I was in my class A's and carrying my duffle with everything that I owned. I walked for hours as people passed me by and about 1/2 mile from my home a car stopped right next to me and the driver asked if he could give me a ride. I looked at him and recognized him as a two tour Army Vet of Nam and a family friend for a long time. I realized at that point that there is still hope in this world for those that really believe in freedom. I guess you just had to be there to understand this as this man had sufered the same thing and he had really seen combat in the NAM.

I had not gone thru what he had seen but we had both suffered the same thing here at home and he understood that and he has my salute to this day and always will. Not because of his kindness that day but because of his sacrifice for his country and his understanding. This man had endured friendly fire to his own unit on more than one occasion and understood this. He had had his canteen shot of his belt and a hole in his helmet without getting a scratch from it and he didn't hold back a bit and he had people spit on him too.

No one else would stop and offer me a ride but another who had been through much worse than I stopped and gave me a ride
that day. Both my brothers survived that WAR and I thank GOD for that too..we all lost some very dear friends during those years and it seems that our real enemies were mostly here at home. We did what our country asked us to do at the time and the ones that opposed that called us the enemy and treated us in that manner.

I am glad that my father (SGT. "Big Red One" WWII) had a celebrated coming home for his/their efforts as I and maybe we would not be here without many like him and I thank GOD for them all in the sacrifices that they made. They were celebrated for their efforts and they deserved it too...so did the uniformed of the NAM ERA..their sacrifice was no less and their dedication to their people no less. They got this from their fathers before them, just like I and my brothers and my friends...my father was very sad to see how I and my brothers in arms were recieved by our so called fellow Americans at the time.

I hope this helps to answer your question and if you need any help..please call as you will probably not get it from the majority of the populis on this day as they have no clue.

GOD BLESS,

RAWGUY
79 posted on 10/21/2002 12:45:07 AM PDT by RAWGUY
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To: Exton1
I too remember... I was a young AF Sergeant returning from SEA when an older lady walked up to me at the airport and asked me if my Mother was proud that she had raised a warmonger, when I responded that my Mother was very proud of me she spit on my uniform. I'll never forget the pain I felt standing there.

Fast forward to my return from Desert Storm and the stopover at Bangor, Maine. It was 6am when we got off the plane and saw hundreds of people with food, hugs and thank yous for our service. I wasn't the only old sergeant with tears in my eyes.

I have a son now in the AF and I hope that his country doesn't forget him!
80 posted on 10/21/2002 7:05:09 AM PDT by Retired AF Warrior
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