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Useful Idiots (Concerning Pat Buchanan and company.)
FrontPage Magazine ^ | October 15, 2002 | Robert Locke

Posted on 10/14/2002 10:37:11 PM PDT by quidnunc

The conservative movement is threatened by two things. First, the Left. Second, members of our own movement who would pervert it down one ideological rat-hole or another. I am willing to support paleoconservatives when I think their arguments have merit. As I wrote in my review of Pat Buchanan’s book The Death of the West, the paleocon position on immigration, “Stop!” is correct. I credit paleocons in general, and Mr. Buchanan in particular, with understanding that politics in our time is a game played for civilizational stakes. But then we come to a parting of the ways. For as his new magazine The American Conservative shows, reminding us that no-one can damn a man as effectively as himself, paleoconservatism includes some very dangerous and palpably false ideas. Since The American Conservative has been explicitly launched by eminent paleocons to give expression to their world-view, it is worth using its first issue to take the temperature of this philosophy. I find it distinctly chilling.

The quotations below are all taken out of context, but I hope I have not twisted any of them counter to their intended meaning. (The reader can verify this from a copy of the magazine, which is not yet on the web.) I realize that not all paleocons subscribe to all its views. I apologize for giving such prominence to its views on the contemplated war with Iraq at the expense of wider concerns, but this is the pressing issue of the day and it makes many essentials clear.

The core paleocon case against war with Iraq is dumb to the point of prolixity. Leaving aside their apocalyptic predictions of what will happen if we do to Iraq what we have done to Afghanistan, its essence consists, in the words of Auberon Waugh, roughly of this question:

“How can any intelligent person be expected to believe that a country of 15 million people, mostly impoverished desert dwellers, poses a threat to world peace?” (p.9)
Because it has weapons of mass destruction. As kids say, like duh. This theme of Iraq’s fundamental weakness as a nation, upon which paleocons stake a significant part of their case against the war, is so obviously irrelevant that one wonders how they can believe anyone will be convinced by it. It’s like asking how any intelligent person can believe that a tiny bug like an anopheles mosquito can kill you.

Paleocons generally have the courtesy, when they are not engaging in ad hominem attacks, of laying out their arguments in plain English, rather than in a primal scream of inchoate resentment like the Left. But these arguments don’t hold water, and for very simple reasons. Let’s look at one:

“The first question, of course, is why should the US attack Iraq, a nation that has not committed any act of war against America.” ( p.11)
Because they pose a threat of weapons of mass destruction against us. What else is there to say?

Next we encounter an inappropriate historical comparison:

“The Bush administration’s insistence on the right to intervene preemptively anywhere on earth recalls the old Brezhnev Doctrine of Soviet days.” ( p. 11)
For a start, this is just false history. The Brezhnev Doctrine had nothing to do with preempting attacks on the USSR, but was that socialism would suffer no losses, i.e. that the USSR had the right to invade to stop ideological change in its satellites. For a second, Bush is not claiming a right to intervene anywhere on earth. As Henry Kissinger has said, he is only claiming the traditional right to defend oneself, which takes the form of preemption only when the threat is such that deterrence cannot be relied upon and retaliation would be too late. If paleocons want to savage Bush policies that Bush doesn’t hold, fine with me, but it doesn’t prove Bush wrong.

Next we encounter disingenuous naiveté:

“Equally unclear is why the US refuses to seek diplomatic accommodation with Iraq rather than war.” ( p.11)
This reminds me of a woolly liberal I know who keeps insisting that, “conflicts should be resolved through diplomacy, not force.” Now let’s get one thing straight: diplomacy is speech about political power as it applies to international relations. It is not that power, and it does not do anything in and of itself. In particular, non-violent solutions tend only to work when the threat of violence backs them up. We can diplomat the guy to death and he’ll just laugh at us and keep on doing what he perceives to be in his self-interest. We’ve been through the Let’s-Make-A-Deal thing with Saddam already, and he has welched every time.

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Useful idiots, just so!
1 posted on 10/14/2002 10:37:12 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Who? What show? Where? Aren't those the women who do "Plumbing For Idiots"?

Who cares...?
2 posted on 10/14/2002 10:41:19 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: quidnunc
Pat has become a cartoon
3 posted on 10/14/2002 10:43:27 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: quidnunc
Pats a pro union protectionist socialist he would do a good job with the INS but thats about it.
4 posted on 10/14/2002 10:49:56 PM PDT by weikel
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To: quidnunc
“The first question, of course, is why should the US attack Iraq, a nation that has not committed any act of war against America.” ( p.11)

PAT YOU NUMB SKULL! WHAT WAS OK CITY, WTC 93, 911??!!! ACTS OF PEACE?

6 posted on 10/14/2002 11:27:35 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: quidnunc
And this guy is the Great Political Messiah to some ?! Very funny!
7 posted on 10/14/2002 11:29:12 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: quidnunc
"They are destructive of the only party that has any chance of imposing conservative values on America."

I thought this was an interesting choice of words.
8 posted on 10/15/2002 12:08:50 AM PDT by NotFinished
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To: AmericaUnited
"PAT YOU NUMB SKULL! WHAT WAS OK CITY, WTC 93, 911??!!! ACTS OF PEACE?"

Excuse me, but, I didn't know that iraq was officially connected to those tragedies. I do remember 11 saudi citizens being involved in 9-11 and at least two American citizens being involved in OKC.

Are we trying to manufacture a connection to iraq in order to justify a preemptive strike? I find it very interesting that every new incident occurring is connected to iraq. How convenient.
Also, I believe a "resolution" is a "sense" of Congress and not an Official declaration of war by vote of both houses. I may be wrong on that issue, but, I don't think so.

An official declaration of war would have to define ALL the enemies by name.
I'll continue to ask this question: why isn't saudi arabia included as an enemy and why aren't they included in a premptive strike?

I will back the Prez., but, I think an oversell is in progress here.

Why do I back him? Because I have great admiration for our soldiers and I'm concerned for the American soldiers he will send into battle.

I await the name calling and the flames.

FReegards




9 posted on 10/15/2002 12:33:48 AM PDT by poet
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To: poet
Excuse me, but, I didn't know that iraq was officially connected to those tragedies.

Oh, you didn't know that Saddam sent the plans to the US State Department with a giant stamp, "OFFICIALY CERTIFIED OPERATIONS OF IRAQ" on them, so people like you and Pat could be certain?

10 posted on 10/15/2002 2:04:59 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: quidnunc
Useful idiots

Good title, although I'm not sure about the "useful" part...

11 posted on 10/15/2002 5:18:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: AmericaUnited
The prosecutor always bears the burden of proof. Iraq was behind 9/11? Iraq was invovled in 9/11? Make the case.
12 posted on 10/16/2002 9:37:42 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: gcochran
]P]eople in groups are nuttier than as individuals. They tell each other what they want to hear, and get further and further from reality.

That is the best description I have ever heard of the Brigade's march off the cliff as they followed Pat's Pied Piping.

13 posted on 10/16/2002 3:25:39 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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