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New tool for gun opponents
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11 October 2002 | Larry Pratt

Posted on 10/14/2002 10:58:15 AM PDT by 45Auto

A killer is on the loose in the Washington area, and once again, gun haters are using the Beltway shootings as an excuse for more gun control.

Ballistic fingerprinting will hardly ever solve a crime, but it will accomplish something else -- a gun registry tied to the owners of the guns.

The latest weapon in the gun haters' arsenal is the registration of firearms. Specifically, they want to register the unique "ballistic fingerprint" that each firearm leaves on a bullet or cartridge case after it is fired, and trace it back to the original buyer of the gun.

Ballistic fingerprinting will not work for a number of reasons. Probably foremost is that crooks do not use valid identification to buy guns in stores. That means the evidence chain will rarely connect back to the crook.

Second, the signature changes with successive firings of the gun. The changes are most pronounced when the gun is new. Moreover, it is not difficult to intentionally disfigure the lands and grooves in the barrel to change the signature.

Third, barrels and firing pins can be replaced, creating a new signature that does not exist in anybody's database.

Gun owners oppose registration because governments have a habit of changing the rules at some future date and using the database of gun owners to demand surrender of the newly banned guns. This is what happened in New York City.

For 25 years, all rifles and shotguns were registered. The city's politicians insisted that crime fighting, not confiscation, was the goal. Then the law was changed, and many of the previously legal guns were on the prohibited list. Those that were not surrendered were confiscated during raids on owners' homes using registration lists.

Opposition to registration is hardly the paranoia that gun control supporters want people to believe. Often these same gun control advocates are (rightly) suspicious of the government when Fourth Amendment rights, rather than Second Amendment rights, are involved.

Many supporters of gun control (rightly) opposed the Patriot Act and Attorney General John Ashcroft's inability to limit his actions within constitutional boundaries. They do not call themselves paranoid when opposing the Patriot Act, which authorizes massive invasions of personal privacy. However, they call gun owners paranoid for opposing registration.

Some proponents of keeping a registry of bullet signatures insist that this is not gun control, just a crime tool. If you study the debates over every piece of gun control legislation in the past, you will find the same argument being made.

Gun control has always been advanced as just crime control. But gun control costs lives, it does not save them.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: ballisticfingerprint; banglist; guns; rkba
The rise in gun violence in the US has only one statistically significant direct correlation: the rise in the number of gun LAWS.
1 posted on 10/14/2002 10:58:15 AM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
Another correlation: The amount of anti-RKBA chatter by the editorial Left.
2 posted on 10/14/2002 11:21:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: 45Auto
The rise in gun violence in the US has only one statistically significant direct correlation: the rise in the number of gun LAWS.

What rise in gun violence? It's a misperseption encouraged by the anti arms rights liberals in the media. The only correlation to any gun law, is a decrease in crimes against persons when a CHL law is passed.

3 posted on 10/14/2002 11:22:53 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: *bang_list

4 posted on 10/14/2002 11:27:43 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: 45Auto
An armed society is a polite society.
5 posted on 10/14/2002 11:32:17 AM PDT by SFBiker80814
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To: El Gato
A different correlation worthy of note:

Concealed-Carry Weapons permit holders (where allowed by law) are less likely than the general population to commit a crime.
6 posted on 10/14/2002 11:32:40 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: 45Auto
Procure your weapons second hand....from private parties and prepare the cache you might just need it.
7 posted on 10/14/2002 11:33:19 AM PDT by SFBiker80814
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To: Maelstrom
Another form of registration......In colorado if you carry concealed...with a permit you are in the registry and cops get downright belligerent with people who have permits.....plus if you are stopped the law officer is notified that you have a permit. And generally only law abiding citizens would register their weapons anyway.
8 posted on 10/14/2002 11:37:47 AM PDT by SFBiker80814
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To: 45Auto
Ballistic fingerprinting will hardly ever solve a crime, but it will accomplish something else -- a gun registry tied to the owners of the guns.

They should pass a law in Maryland to make murder illegal. /sarcasm

9 posted on 10/14/2002 11:41:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 45Auto
Any politician that tries to pass laws over the whole nation, based on the actions of a nut, is a running scared idiot or a cheap opportunist, trying to turn the tragedy of others to their gain. We will always have nuts.

10 posted on 10/14/2002 11:46:22 AM PDT by ibme
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To: 45Auto
Want to make "ballistic fingerprinting" worthless? When you first get your gun, clean it with a steel barrel brush; while this will degrade accuracy, how many criminal shootings are beyond the length of your living room? Then, use a steel-bristle two-ended toothbrush to scrub the inside of the chamber - and the extractor - for the same purpose. Finally - if you can strip the gun to access the nose of the firing pin - also scrub it with that steel toothbrush.

Knowing that any teenage thug can make "ballistic fingerprinting" worthless in under 20 minutes is the key to convincing congresscritters to vote against it. It will allow any Red Nation congresscritter - and any from rural parts of Blue Nation - to safely say that he voted against it as it was worthless anyhow, plus just a gun-registration scheme. (He can also say that he voted against it due to the fact that no serial murderer will wait home at the listed address to be arrested!)

How good are the Washington "snipers," really?

11 posted on 10/14/2002 11:58:13 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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"Concealed-Carry Weapons permit holders (where allowed by law) are less likely than the general population to commit a crime."

Not just compared to the general population, but also compared to law enforcement officers!

12 posted on 10/14/2002 12:29:53 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: 45Auto
HERE IS SOME OLD TOOLS FOR GUN RIGHTS

2nd Amendment for Dummies

It’s common sense for humans to defend his/her life from bad guys. Can you? What is your plan at home and on the street? What is your wife’s plan? What is your daughter’s plan? When you see the robbers or rapist knife, what negotiating technique will you use as your eyes met while you wait for 911 police?

Dial 911 and Die – 3 to 30 minutes normal police response time. 1.5 million felons are released into our neighborhoods annually. 75 % of released felons will commit felony acts again. Will you be next?

Felons don’t register guns. Felons will always get guns Bad guys are felons with guns.

Robbers love to rob citizens without guns and with government trigger locks. Robbers do not fear police with guns. Rapists prefer to rape women without guns.

Robbers select big food chains to hit because corporate policy does not allow mgrs to carry guns. Robbers avoid small mom and pop food stores because they know these storeowners are armed and robbers might get killed.

Robber breaking in – dial 911 require 5-15 minutes for police to arrive --- 5 seconds to arm yourself. If you don’t have gun? Do you have a plan?

Gun Control advocates should post sign on their lawns, “home is gun free”. These miss-guided advocates would soon miss the umbrella that 57 million gun owners provide.

“Fear in felons mind”. Gun Control grabbers advocates should visit daily high crime neighbors and wear T- Shirts “they are unarmed”. This will sharpen their focus and fear of assault, robbery, murder shared by citizens live in these neighbors.

75,000,000 gun owners only have one question for gun control grabbers & advocates. If a bad guy puts a knife to your chest, and I have my gun, Do you want me to shoot the bad guy or not?

Felons will always have guns. 20,000 current gun laws have not stopped felons from having guns, or stop humans from killing humans.

States with Conceal Carry laws CCW have experienced significant drop in contract crime to citizens. These state have Citizen Carry; AL, AK, AZ AR, CA, CO, CT, DL, FL, GA, HI, ID, IN, IA, KY, LA, ME, MY, MA, MI, MN, MS, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, ND, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, VA, WA, WV, WY. Serious Contact Crime has dropped in 95 % of the states.

In 1986 seven states had CCW, today 43 states have CCW and crimes continues to drop in these states. Support HR 407 bill for national CCW in all 50 states.


43 STATES ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY WEAPONS FOR CITIZENS. New York and Hawaii almost impossible to obtain permit (no one meet requirements) and they are experiencing no significant decline in crime.

States that do not allow concealed carry
> IL, KS, OH, MO NB, Washington DC.

Innocent citizen are five to seven time more likely to be killed by police officer than a CCW citizen in an accidental shooting.

Bible says right to defend self, wives, daughters, sons, mothers, fathers, and property against bad guys. Citizens have the right to self-defense in public.

Gun grabbing politicians know fear means votes and re-election. Battered women have the right to self-defense.

Elderly 83 yr old grandmother shoots bad guy save daughter’s life.

Jesus said to disciples lay “aside” your sword; at last supper not lay down your sword. Peter’s sword was to protect his own moral life not Jesus, Luke 22:36 30, He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. The sword was considered the finest weapon of its day.

Baptist Minister Michael McCubbins clears the air on the bible view of the old/new testament. Bible says you are responsible for your self-defense.

Exodus 22:2-3 if the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. Gen. 9: 5-6.

When Cain killed Abe, God did not ban or register rocks, but banished the murderer. God was smarter than our gun-grabbing politicians.

Matthew 5, Individuals have the responsibility of protecting their lives and family from attackers.

Nowhere in the bible does God make any provision for dealing with the instruments of crime. He always focuses on the consequences for the individual and his actions.

Timothy 5:8 but if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever of God. PS 46:1

Jesus who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.

Num 31:3 Every man gird on his sword, So every man girded on his sword and David also girded on his sword.

1 Sam. 25:13 National defense in bible.

2 Chronicles 17 1:10, and the fear of the Lord fell on all kingdoms around Judah, so that they did not make war.

Neh. 4:17-18 Gates and walls of Jerusalem were built with one hand on his weapon, and one hand worked.

Romans 13:4 God says if you do evil be afraid. Also: As you live by the sword so shall you die by the sword.

God says in the sixth commandment “Thou shall not murder.”

Matthew 26:52-54 Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

McDonald’s employee kills 2 and stopped mass murder in Houston restaurant and is fired by McDonald’s.

Pizza man in Cincinnati is cleared of CCW because judge says that OH law preventing carry of gun is a bad law.

Mom and pop storeowner kills two robbers, and wounds third in fourth robber attempt in 4 years.

Kennesaw GA ordinance requires every home to have a firearm in 1982 and crime dropped 89 %

Washington DC has the toughest gun laws in the nation and the highest death rate in North America. 56 murders/100k

Vermont no gun laws and has the lowest contract crime rate in nation. Anyone can CCW (conceal carry)

Police has absolutely no duty to protect an individual by law.

Criminals fear armed citizens more than the police because citizen will shoot.

Criminologists are turning from anti-gun to support citizen self-defense.

2.5 million stops of criminal acts annually by gun owner’s just flashing of a gun, says John Lott, Univ Researcher.

Thank you letter from a felon in prison to Bill and Hillary and Al Gore for taking guns out of the hands of citizens.

Single liberal mom in California switched from liberal viewpoint to CCW and it saved her life.

43 states have right to bear arms written into its state constitutional.

2nd amendment is “silent sword” to remind politicians that government is by the people for the people.

WWII wheelchair bound veteran carries 38 pistol in wheelchair to protect himself from home invaders.

Rapists know that a bullet stops rape.

Robbers know that a bullet stops them. You are responsible to protect yourself and family not the police or military.

Reasonable gun control is an oxymoron. That was Hitler approach.

More innocence people are killed by police (330) than by citizens (33) who have a concealed carry permit.

Tens of thousands of Military veterans over the last 200 years have died for our freedoms from tyranny both domestic and foreign.

Second amendment sisters protect their families from robbers and rapist with a personal weapon. They are armed concerned soccer MOMS.

1986 - 8 states had Concealed carry laws, in 1999 - 41 states have concealed carry. Crime has dropped in nearly every state with CCW.

2nd amendment men and women love their country and fear government with too much power.

Veterans paid with blood for this freedom and liberal gun controllers are stomping on their graves.

Governments that seized all guns from citizens: Turkey, Cambodia, Russia, China, and Nazi. Germany. 56 million men, women, children murdered w/o a fight.

Million-mom march should be named Misguided Mommies March, orchestrated by political friend of Hillary Clinton to energize fear and re-elect gun grabbers.

Misguided Mommies March was really only 75,000 to 90,000 mommies. Promise Keepers has close to one million, and misguided mommies were no way near the size of Promise keepers.

Second Amendment Sisters are common sense mommies, sisters, grandmothers, and daughters, along with sons, men, fathers, and grandfathers who understand family self-defense

Sara Brady, and Handgun control says 12 children a day die in gun accidents. Last ten year average FBI, 83 children a year are killed in gun accidents. Each a tragedy -- our hearts go out to families. Who’s Lying?? The FBI & Depart of Justice says Bill Sara Brady and Handgun Control are miss-stating the facts.

Bad guys with guns in CA bring TV helicopters, live drama, equal viewer ship and huge profits, generates copycats crime and more fear. Fear sells newspapers, nightly TV news spots, media equate guns with fear, death, and ratings, and i.e. fear equals profit for TV and newspapers.

St Gabriel Possenti society says priest would be alive today if he had handgun. Priests in Houston want guns to protect parish.

Sara Brady is paid $278,456 dollars annually to spin fear as president of Handgun Control Inc. Diane Finstien, and Media talking heads, love power of “I know better than any second class Taxpayer.” Sara Brady earns salary more than the President of the United States and all of congress to sell fear.

Women who refuse to be victimized by Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Sara Brady formed the Second Amendment Sisters organization.

His Holiness Pope John Paul II Evangelism Vitae Encyclical Letter on the Value and Inviolability of Human Life March 25, 1995 46-page statement supports self defense and right to guns.

The 1st amendment is guaranteed by the second amendment. 2nd provides and helps guarantees all ten amendments and freedoms in the --Bill of Rights.

290 university scholars from 175 universities sign and send each congressional leader a letter stating that GUN LAWS are counter productive to achieving control of the crime problem.

Federal law prohibits all felons from owning guns. Gun grabbers don’t have a clue why felons have guns. Could it be felons don’t follow the rules?

Common sense and logic has failed gun grabbers and politicians who stomp on 2nd.”

John R Lott School of Law, University of Chicago, Extensive study says Crime, Deterrence, and right-to-carry concealed Handguns.

Criminals fear citizens who can defend themselves.

The stated and published United Nations charter is to disarm the citizens of all Nations. The current party in power supports this view. Check it out. The Federal 1964 gun control act is worded similar to gun control laws in Hitler Germany in the 1930’s. Is this mere chance, or is it fact? Australia is experiencing large increases in personal body contract crime, rape, armed robbery, and assault since the removal of all guns from the citizens.

One half of American Homes have guns owning 250,000,000 guns. Over 99 percent of these American households do so in a very responsible manner. 75% of all murders have adult criminal records. Guns purchased at gun shows are involved in less than 2 % of murders.

Author Paul Williams all copy writes and rights reserved. Reprint encouraged with recognition of author.

Visit the bills of rights for dummies at http://gunsdontkill.virtualave.net/html/bill_of_rights.html
13 posted on 10/14/2002 6:07:48 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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