The Most Ridiculous Nobel Peace Price Yet

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/mail/currentmail.html#Erwin ^ | 10/11/2002 | J Neil Schulman (via Jerry Pournelle's web site)

[alisasny]

Nice guys keep their ego's in their pockets. Jimmy is not a nice guy in my book.

[RightOnline]

You can rest assured that Bill Clinton is just seething right now, for it's no secret that he desperately covets the Nobel Peace Prize........only to see it go to a guy who, I'm certain in Bill's mind, is an old, washed-up, has-been rather than the "god" that Clinton is.

[wastoute]

You guys aren't giving credit where it is due though. Bush is turning out to be a master politician and it is KILLING the libs. He has 'em on the ropes with his "War..." stuff and so the European libs try to grab the news cycle with this Nobel news and what does Bush do? He announces that Speicher is "Captured" instead of "Killed" and Jimmy's face just disappears from the TV. LOL!!!! ROTHFLMAO.

[Lockbox]

The Most Ridiculous Nobel Peace Price yet:

Just wait till GW Bush is re-elected President, then Bill Clinton will get the Nobel Peace Prize. Guess the Libs that run the Nobel Peace Prize are turning political.

[RckyRaCoCo]

In recent history getting the NPP is paramount to getting a star on the hollywood walk of fame....they now give them to has-been's, nobodies....even cartoon charactors.

[saminfl]

The Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator at least as cotrolling and abusive of his people as Saddam is today.

You guys from DU don't get it do you? Where in your comments do you mention the Ayotollah? I guess since you didn't like the Shah (our friend), the Ayotollah was like the Easter bunny. I think you need to go back to DU.

[lsee]

Granting Carter the peace prize at such a moment and with such motivation robs Carter of any honor he might legitimately have felt upon receiving the award under different circumstances. In fact, bestowing the peace prize for such obvious political reasons robs the board of any future credibility and throws doubt on past recipients as well. The members have robbed the prize of honor by their dishonorable behavior.

[Guillermo]

Not officially, yet.

I've been here since late August.

I'll still be voting in GA this year.

[leprechaun9]

This is from another post:

Nobel Peace Price Winners since 1985:
2002 Jimmy Carter Jr.
2001 United Nations (U.N.), Kofi Annan
2000 Kim Dae-jung
1999 Médecins Sans Frontières
1998 John Hume, David Trimble
1997 International Campaign to Ban Landmines (ICBL), Jody Williams
1996 Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, José Ramos-Horta
1995 Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs
1994 Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
1993 Nelson Mandela, Frederik Willem de Klerk
1992 Rigoberta Menchú Tum
1991 Aung San Suu Kyi
1990 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
1989 The 14th Dalai Lama (Tenzin Gyatso )
1988 United Nations Peace-keeping Forces
1987 Oscar Arias Sanchez
1986 Elie Wiesel
1985 International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War


WHAT-- NO RONALD REAGAN???
The man who ended the Cold War???

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As the slogan goes in NJ, Carter & Arafat, perfect together!

[saminfl]

So we trade one brutal dictator for an even worse brutal dictator? I guess that is really simplistic in your eyes. Maybe your buddies at DU can explain it to you.

[Oztrich Boy]

Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted peace?

[FreedomPoster]

>>I suppose the guy from whose website this was taken is the same guy who writes Sci Fi stuff?

Yes that's right. Pournelle is a *really* interesting guy. Besides the science fiction, he was a *serious* Cold Warrior, an assistant mayor to Sam Yorty back when Republicans held the mayoralty of L.A., he is a very successful computer columnist, and is just a true modern Renaissance Man. His web page is eclectic and very worthwhile. Heavy doses of computer material with lots of current events with historical background.

[TheGrimReaper]

COMING UP NEXT...
The Nobel Prize for Chemistry goes to...

Saddam Hussein!
[Who else???]

[nicollo]

Your notes on the awfulness of the Shah lose meaning when put in the context of the 1980s. The U.S. supported many horrible people -- Saddam, Pinochet, Diem, Faisal, Stroessner, Somoza, Serrano, Marcos... Hell, we can include Mao in the list for Nixon's triangulation scheme. These are not the kindhearted whose loving glow would warm a Georgia peanut. We did all this to fight a larger evil.

The author is correct to state that had we not allowed the Shah to fall the geopolitics of today would be different. There were other options back in 1979 than turning our heads in disgust at it all. God knows shame, at which Carter is an enthusiastic practitioner, is not a quality of leadership.

No, Carter punted.

The Mullahs represented an enormous threat to world stability. With the Russkies in Afghanistan, the Mullahs jumping up and down, revolution in the Americas, Saddam was a convenient and very useful Cold War tool.

Comparing the Shah to Saddam is not an argument. The question remains: would it have been different had we intervened in Iran?

Very different.