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Fellow Catholics...
B-chan ^ | 2002.10.08 | B-chan

Posted on 10/08/2002 5:21:40 PM PDT by B-Chan

Fellow Catholics:

Are you tired of modernist impiety, post-Conciliar disrespect, and hippie embellishments at your parish Mass? Are you frustrated at the cavalier attitude that some so-called extraordinary ministers -- or even priests -- have towards the Most Precious Body and Blood of Our Lord? Are you nauseated by Communion-In-The-Round, liturgical Soul Train, Communion-in-the-Paw, and bare-bellied altar girls? Are you sick of being made to feel uncomfortable simply because you don't wish to join hands during the Pater Noster -- or because you are the only person in your parish who knows what "pater noster" means?

Are you tired of AmChyrch's constant drive to be "inclusive" instead of being Catholic? Do you pray for the day when you can go into a Catholic church that looks, feels, and smells like a Catholic Church is supposed to?

Well, your prayers have been answered. Thanks to His Holiness Pope John Paul II, you now have the option of worshipping Christ in a mass that really conforms to the rubrics, where altar chicks, New Age kum-bah-yah, rock and roll "praise orchestras" and liturgical dance are unknown -- a 100% Roman Catholic mass, Pope-approved, and the way it used to be, complete with incense, kneeling at an altar rail, Communion on the tongue, and a judicious and proper usage of Greek and Lain along with a beautiful, traditional English liturgy.

No, you don't have to go to the schismatics, integrists, or sedvecantists for this kind of mass. You only have to go as far as the Pastoral Provision for the Anglican Usage of the Roman Rite. Thanks to the Pastoral Provision graciously granted by His Holiness more than a decade ago, Anglican priests and congregations wishing to reconcile with Rome were received into the Roman Catholic Church and allowed to celebrate the mass according to the lovely and dignified Anglican Usage (corrected to conform to the norms of the Church). But these parishes aren't for ex-Anglicans only; any Catholic is welcome to worship at an Anglican Use parish. There, you'll find a traditional mass setting sans modern "improvements": kneelers, processions, approriate music performed on appropriate instruments, traditional vestments worn at the appropriate times, incense, shrines, lovely statuary, the works. You are welcome and encouraged to kneel during the Consecration, genuflect before the Body and Blood, receive Him in both Kinds on the tongue while kneeling reverently at an altar rail, and adore Him at regular and well-publicized Adorations. You can confess your sins in a real confessional , be absolved by a real priest of God who believes in sin and in penance, and say the rosary as often as you like. And all of this without worrying if your priest or bishop is a poofter, a Protestant, or a part of some fringey radical outfit.

Fellow Catholics, if you're tired of being herded to Communion like customers at a fast-food drive-thru window; if you're tired of loopy liturgy, hippie hagiography, and gum-snapping teenagers handling the Body and Blood of Our Lord like Triscuits and Kool-Aid at a middle-school mixer, then do something about it. Visit the Pastoral Provision website for more information or, better still, check out a Pastoral Provision parish in person.

I think you'll be glad you did.


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1 posted on 10/08/2002 5:21:40 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
... and bare-bellied altar girls?...
I would convert to Catholicism just to see that.
2 posted on 10/08/2002 5:26:55 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: B-Chan
How many Anglican use parishes are there? Less than 20, I would surmise.
3 posted on 10/08/2002 5:31:14 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Asclepius
I admit to a little poetic license here. But it's almost as bad as that. Keeping a holy attitude becomes a challenge when there's a teenage girl in skin-tight pants sashaying around the altar...
4 posted on 10/08/2002 5:33:12 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: sinkspur
Eight so far. Here's the list:

TEXAS
Our Lady of the Atonement Parish,San Antonio, TX
Our Lady of Walsingham Parish, Houston, TX
St. Mary the Virgin Parish, Arlington, TX
St. Thomas More Parish, Fort Worth, TX
St. Margaret of Scotland Parish, Austin, TX
St. Anselm of Canterbury Catholic Mission, Corpus Christi, TX

NORTHEAST
St. Athanasius Congregation, Boston, MA

SOUTHEAST
Church of the Good Shepherd Parish, Columbia, SC
5 posted on 10/08/2002 5:35:57 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
Are you tired of AmChyrch's constant drive to be "inclusive" instead of being Catholic?

Not to get into a theological debate, but the word 'catholic' is synonymous with 'inclusive.'

6 posted on 10/08/2002 5:44:15 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: B-Chan
Did you post this twice? I responded to the thread in the Breaking News forum, and now it's over here as well. I thought it got moved to Religion, but my response is over there, but not here. Well, here's what I had to say in the other forum:

Even though I'd answer "Yes" to all your questions, I don't think I'll be attending an Anglican Usage service anytime soon. Now that the true Latin Mass is again available to all Catholics, why would anyone attend some other service?

The Anglican Usage sounds like the worst of all worlds. It combines the rite of Thomas Cranmer with elements of the Novus Ordo. It's nice that all of the external elements of reverence are maintained, but it's not the real Mass. It's a synthesized hybrid that has never really existed historically.

English Catholics should attend the Mass that the English martyrs died to preserve: the Latin Mass of all ages.

I cannot imagine Newman, Manning or Evelyn Waugh attending an Anglican Usage service. When they became Catholic, they wanted to be 100% Catholic. Waugh was devastated by the changes at Vatican II.

I personally know other converts from the Episcopalian church who feel the same way, "Why did I convert to the Catholic religion only to find it imitating all the worst aspects of the denomination I left behind?"

They started the St. Gregory's Society in New Haven, CT, one of the first groups to take advantage of the 1988 indult. They produce beautiful tapes and CDs of the traditional Latin Mass. They wouldn't want to attend a hybrid Anglican/Novus Ordo service.
7 posted on 10/08/2002 6:02:35 PM PDT by Maximilian
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Now that the true Latin Mass is again available to all Catholics, why would anyone attend some other service?

Your condescension astounds.

The Novus Ordo is the normative Mass, and has been since 1969. The Indult is provided where the local bishop determines there is a demand.

I have to laugh at you guys who think there is some screaming chorus begging for the Tridentine Mass.

THERE IS NOT! Most Catholics, overwhelmingly, like the Novus Ordo and wouldn't attend a Latin Mass on a bet.

I am in favor of a generous Indult, but not a universal one, as the Novus Ordo should remain normative and not "optional."

8 posted on 10/08/2002 6:16:01 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: B-Chan
Regarding your list of AU Parishes, I think St. Margaret of Scotland exists only on paper these days, unless something has changed. Also, it is my understanding that the Priest at Good Shepherd in SC does not do the AU Mass, but the Novus Ordo.
To see our book of worship, check out: http://www.bookofdivineworship.com
P.S. Our Lady of the Atonement which is the AU Parish in San Antonio also offers the NO in Latin. We had the Tridentine, but the Archbishop pulled the indult.


9 posted on 10/08/2002 6:41:26 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Maximilian
Now that the true Latin Mass is again available to all Catholics, why would anyone attend some other service?

I see you are new to FR. Welcome. Please note my above post. The Archbishop pulled our indult for the Tridentine Mass. Of the four Masses my Priest does on Sunday at our AU Parish, the Tridentine is no longer one of them. We now have 3 Anglican Use Masses, and the NO in Latin.

10 posted on 10/08/2002 6:48:12 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey
>>The Archbishop pulled our indult for the Tridentine Mass.

This is a crime. I sympathize with your position and realize that you are trying to do the best possible in your situation.

11 posted on 10/08/2002 6:55:55 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sinkspur
>>Most Catholics, overwhelmingly, like the Novus Ordo

This does not correspond to the actual data. Facts suggest that the vast majority of Catholics have voted with their feet and no longer attend Mass.

Remember that statistics for the US (approx 25% Mass attendance) are for the MOST religious country in the developed world. The numbers for Canada and Europe are very much lower, usually in the single digits.

Mass attendance since Vatican II has been like the NASDAQ: everytime you think it can't go any lower, it does. Even the countries with single-digit attendance rates are still dropping.

This doesn't sound to me like big vote of confidence for the Novus Ordo.
12 posted on 10/08/2002 7:01:43 PM PDT by Maximilian
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Mass attendance since Vatican II has been like the NASDAQ: everytime you think it can't go any lower, it does. Even the countries with single-digit attendance rates are still dropping.

Attendance at Mass began dropping in the 50's.

The numbers are down, but they're down across all religious denominations, everywhere. You can't posit the Novus Ordo as the causality in the drop in Mass attendance.

There'd likely be even fewer Catholics sitting in pews looking at the back of a priest mumbling in a language they can't fathom.

13 posted on 10/08/2002 7:07:55 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Maximilian
Gotta weigh in here.

I love the Tridentine, especially the High Mass. My kids like the N.O. and balk at going to the Tridentine. I've mentioned to quite a few church goers in my parish that there is a Tridentine Mass available (I say "Latin Mass" since not one of them would know the term "Tridentine") and not one of them has ever expressed any interest in going. My 61 year old aunt was excited to attend the Tridentine for novelty and memory of the Latin, but she expressed no interest in going again.

I think we are in the minority, Maximilian.

14 posted on 10/08/2002 7:18:15 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: B-Chan
Thanks for the very amusing but sadly true post, B-Chan.

One of these days, very soon, I will be traveling into Boston to attend St. Athanasius Congregation. When I do, I'll let you know. I know Siobhan has attended Mass in this parish before and she loved it.

15 posted on 10/08/2002 7:20:20 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
>>My kids like the N.O. and balk at going to the Tridentine.

It depends on the age of your kids. My two oldest are basically living their own lives now, and we have a very hard time getting them to the Latin Mass. But my younger children, including 2 teenage daughters, LOVE going to the Latin Mass. They get sick at the thought of participating in the sacrilege which we only recently attended.

My children have commented independently about how much they have changed and how much our family has changed just in the last 2 years since we began attending the Latin Mass. They are living a life of grace, and they recognize it.

My oldest each went to 12 years of Catholic school and attended Mass every Sunday at a very "conservative" Novus Ordo church. They are patently living in sin, like 99% of all other Catholics. The grace was just never there.

I've had the same problem as you with older relatives. I thought they'd be thrilled to know that the Latin Mass is available again, but they've been less than enthused. The flip side of that, however, is that Latin Mass parishes are filled with young families and bursting with children. This is a wonderful hope for the future.

BTW, "Tridentine" is not really accurate anyway, so keep on calling it the "Latin Mass."
16 posted on 10/08/2002 7:36:39 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sinkspur
Most Catholics, overwhelmingly, like the Novus Ordo and wouldn't attend a Latin Mass on a bet.

Actually, most Catholics, overwhelmingly, won't attend Mass at all. Is that sort of popular demand truly the right basis for resolving such a question?

17 posted on 10/08/2002 7:45:51 PM PDT by Snuffington
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Is that sort of popular demand truly the right basis for resolving such a question?

What's there to "resolve"? The Pope has said that the Novus Ordo is normative.

18 posted on 10/08/2002 7:53:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Maximilian
They are patently living in sin, like 99% of all other Catholics. The grace was just never there.

Arrogance is your stock-in-trade, it appears.

Just what is your outrageous assertion supposed to mean?

19 posted on 10/08/2002 7:56:41 PM PDT by sinkspur
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