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West Coast: $100,000 longshoreman: union wins the global game
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | Published Oct 6, 2002 | Steven Greenhouse New York Times

Posted on 10/06/2002 10:06:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:37:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

OAKLAND, CALIF. -- To American unions, globalization is a nefarious force that has wiped out the jobs of millions of well-paid blue-collar workers.

But the members of one union have played the global-trading system as well as any international investor: the longshoremen. They wield so much power that they have managed to obtain cradle-to-grave benefits and salaries to make many white-collar college graduates envious. For the longshoremen, globalization has been nothing but a blessing.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: california; longshoreman; oregon; ports; strike; washington; westcoast
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1 posted on 10/06/2002 10:06:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 10/06/2002 10:09:47 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Time to announce plans to build some new ports in Tijuana. These guys would jump back to work with a pay cut !
3 posted on 10/06/2002 10:13:50 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
Sounds like a union that REALLY needs to be busted up.
4 posted on 10/06/2002 10:18:24 PM PDT by outpost44
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To: outpost44
Amen to that!
5 posted on 10/06/2002 10:24:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
So Unions are hypocritical, two-faced, double-talking, back-stabbing, frauds.

Who'da thunk it?

6 posted on 10/06/2002 10:25:51 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle; outpost44; John Lenin
See this:

In Silicon Valley, some work for just promise of pay (over 200 apply to job w/no pay)

7 posted on 10/06/2002 10:32:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: outpost44
Sounds like a union that REALLY needs to be busted up.

My dad is a professional union buster, and I can tell you that the person that breaks the ILWU will claim an 8 figure prize.

So, smart guy, if it is so easy, walk up and claim the fortune of a lifetime.

There is a reason these guys make that kind of money.

8 posted on 10/06/2002 10:33:32 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In Silicon Valley, some work for just promise of pay (over 200 apply to job w/no pay)

...and this is significant to the ILWU in what way?

9 posted on 10/06/2002 10:35:07 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Texas Eagle
Who'da thunk it?

Enron, Arthur Andersen, Worldcom, Global Crossing, Tyco, etc.

10 posted on 10/06/2002 10:36:57 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Orion
"So, smart guy, if it is so easy, walk up and claim the fortune of a lifetime."

"So, smart guy," why don't you learn how to read....the poster didn't say it would be "easy." Sheesh. (Or possible, for that matter.)
11 posted on 10/06/2002 10:38:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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The association wants the right to introduce new technology to speed cargo handling,

The union is against increased efficiency for the business of getting goods to YOU...

They are attempting to hold the free mrket hostage to protect their own jobs as those jobs become increasingly less necessary... And therefore more expensive... To YOU...

The added pain that this shut down will cause to the American economy and it's businesses that rely on just in time inventory will shock the sheeple...

One day, conscious humans will realize that unions are part of the problem, not part of the solution...

12 posted on 10/06/2002 10:47:51 PM PDT by Ferris
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bokmark bump
13 posted on 10/06/2002 10:51:33 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I got stuck with a liberal (self-described socialist) last night actually discussing these "poor dockworkers who had been locked out of their jobs!" She also was saying the horrible companies actually wanted to hire independent contractors so they wouldn't have to pay benefits. I asked her didn't she think someone making $100K per year could pay for their own insurance. She dithered a bit and then said she didn't believe they all made $100K and started into the "what about when they retire?" stuff.

Some of the libs just make it too easy.

And no, I couldn't really avoid her. Her husband and mine share an office - he's an NPR kind of guy and mine plays Rush in his down time.

14 posted on 10/06/2002 10:55:15 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: Orion
No one has to break up a union if the job can be done offshore, the future trends are right in front of these guys faces. They can ignore the trends and be out of a job in no time.
15 posted on 10/06/2002 10:56:57 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Orion
One other benefit: They get a paid day off to celebrate the birth of their Marxist founder, Harry Bridges.

Seems out of character with their founders ideology. They should contribute to those out of work in the Silicon Valley!

16 posted on 10/06/2002 10:57:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Orion
...and this is significant to the ILWU in what way?

They know how to bring home the bacon?

17 posted on 10/06/2002 11:04:44 PM PDT by BradyLS
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FROM A LONGSHORMAN ON ANOTHER WEBSITE'S FORUM:

"Well _______... if this was gonna be decided by public opinion I'd be concerned.. but this isn't a prom queen election... if PMA had been able to maneauver us into striking it'd have been dicy but now almost anything that happens benefits us.... we're ready to go back to work at anytime.... or stay locked out as long as they like... heck, even if MonkeyBoy orders PMA to let us back in, that works for us too... and when this is all over and we're back to work with a new contract we'll be making more money than ever... If Bush wants to get all froggy and jump in with PMA and actually attempt to bust us out of the ports ... well I'm guessing we won't be seeing another Repug President for a Long LONG time... "

"FEAR the clapping Monkey!"

18 posted on 10/06/2002 11:06:19 PM PDT by willgetsome
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To: willgetsome
I hope they are training crane operators as we speak.
19 posted on 10/06/2002 11:09:51 PM PDT by John Lenin
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Mexico's ports and roads cannot handle the cargo, Canadian longshoremen won't unload the diverted ships

What about increasing the number of ships sent directly to Canada from Asia or whatever? They're not "diverted." Truckers and trains would deliver the goods from Canada to wherever they were supposed to go, and bring US products and food for export back to the Canadian docks.

and East Coast ports are unavailable because the Panama Canal is too small to handle the huge Pacific ships.

Could some cargo (as much as they can handle... not necessarily all) be unloaded in Mexico or some central American country, trucked across, and then shipped to the East coast of the US?

20 posted on 10/06/2002 11:27:53 PM PDT by heleny
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