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Army Colonel: Porn Led Me to Kill My Wife
CNN ^ | 9/30/02

Posted on 09/30/2002 1:16:31 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ANNAPOLIS JUNCTION, Maryland (AP) -- A lieutenant colonel at the Army War College pleaded guilty Monday to killing his wife, saying he beat and strangled her as they fought about his use of the Internet to find pornography.

Lt. Col. David Bartlett Jr., 46, reached a plea deal with prosecutors in the slaying of his 39-year-old wife, Suzanne.


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To: Ahban
You make the most sense out of all these "libertine" posts. The husband was not going to be told he was wrong, to stop, that he hurt someone with his actions, or that it should be taken away. Crack cocaine to many on the internet, I'm afraid, and easily accessed. Even unsolicited and I am ready to ban it because of its unwanted intrusion into my e-mail and even on Drudge. When I clicked on a link Sunday night on Drudge, I was redirected to a porn site. I did not want to go there but was taken there. My children can be and are assaulted by this garbage without having sought it out. It is time to stop it. For the men who get hooked and seek more and daring stuff, what length would they go in order to keep their fix coming?
101 posted on 10/01/2002 7:12:17 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Ahban
You make the most sense out of all these "libertine" posts. The husband was not going to be told he was wrong, to stop, that he hurt someone with his actions, or that it should be taken away. Crack cocaine to many on the internet, I'm afraid, and easily accessed. Even unsolicited and I am ready to ban it because of its unwanted intrusion into my e-mail and even on Drudge. When I clicked on a link Sunday night on Drudge, I was redirected to a porn site. I did not want to go there but was taken there. My children can be and are assaulted by this garbage without having sought it out. It is time to stop it. For the men who get hooked and seek more and daring stuff, what length would they go in order to keep their fix coming?
102 posted on 10/01/2002 7:13:20 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Zon
I have never been harmed by a person's act of viewing pornography. Have you?

My sister is in the process of divorcing her husband who is a big porno fan. All of the grossest stuff you can find on the internet. It's affected her life, and that's affected my life. So you could say that my life has been harmed by pornography. Or not.

The concept isn't particularly difficult for Christians to apprehend since all of the baptized are part of the Body of Christ.

I also have a childhood friend who, unfortunately, spends a lot of his free time going to strip clubs and viewing porn. Like you, he doesn't see any problem with it. He's in his late thirties and still single. His criteria for a wife seems to have come from his viewing habits. It's doubtful that either he or his older sister will ever provide their parents with grandchildren. That saddens me. So pornography has certainly harmed his life and his parents' lives and, since he is my childhood friend, it has affected my life as well.

103 posted on 10/01/2002 7:16:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Woahhs
Apparently then, there was a bit of intentional dishonesty in AF using it.
104 posted on 10/01/2002 7:31:40 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Aquinasfan

It's affected her life, and that's affected my life. So you could say that my life has been harmed by pornography. Or not.

It's not my concern. You could say it harmed you (whatever I think is irrelevant). If you think you've been harmed by another that person's act of viewing pornography take the person to court and do your best to prove before an impartial jury that you've been harmed.

That said, this forum is used by some people that want the power to initiate force, fraud and coercion against people (be the "higher authority") or seek to enlist government agents ("higher authority") to initiate force, fraud and threat of force against people on their behalf.

105 posted on 10/01/2002 7:38:28 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Jonathan
If pornography is neutral, can we show it to children? Can we show it and provide it to teens?

Pre-Teens get blowjobs in school hallways. Why should they bother with porn when they get the real thing.
106 posted on 10/01/2002 7:43:48 AM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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To: Physicist
That's right, the PC censors have to stop any discussions between the connection of porn and violence. It does seem that every child sexual predetor seems to have a computer full of child porn. Course we can't talk about that or we would be Christian fanatics or sexual puritans. Sounds so liberally PC. Not to worry pal because your thugs far outnumber ours so this will continue to be swept under!

Pray for GW and the Elections

107 posted on 10/01/2002 7:45:35 AM PDT by bray
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To: Woahhs
And if there is one person on this forum who would never fall for the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy, it's Aquinasfan.

Please demonstrate to me that there is no causal relationship between pornography and violence. The question is, how much evidence of violence correlated with pornography do you need before you will admit a causal relationship? That's why I asked above what would constitute evidence of a causal relationship between pornography and violence.

I've described above my own firsthand experience with the harmful effects of pornography. From what I have personally observed, there is a very high correlation between pornography and loserdom. Does pornography cause loserdom or are losers attracted to pornography? From my own experience I have to conclude that it can be either or both.

108 posted on 10/01/2002 7:46:17 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: anniegetyourgun
While most surveys and researched papers indicate that 85% of all porn eventually falls into the hands of minors

You forgot to mention another equally valid scientific fact: A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder.

109 posted on 10/01/2002 7:48:20 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
It's really funny to watch the social scientists on the right argue their case as strenuously on Free Republic as the social scientists on the left argue their case on DU.

110 posted on 10/01/2002 7:53:12 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Ahban
This man made a marriage vow, a contract that the state has a vested interest in.

No representative of the state has any possible vested interest in marriage, unless you live in a jurisdiciton where jus primae noctis is the law of the land.

111 posted on 10/01/2002 7:55:09 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
What would constitute evidence of the harm of pornography for you?

It should be a simple enough thing to create a controlled experiment. In one room, we have the subject, attached to various and sundry medical monitoring devices. In another, we have someone randomly watching either pornography or pictures of dogs playing poker. After a statistically significant number of runs, the medical monitoring ought to detect any harm done to one person by another person's viewing of pornography (or, for that matter, by another person's viewing of dogs playing poker).

112 posted on 10/01/2002 8:00:45 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
I also have a childhood friend who, unfortunately, spends a lot of his free time going to strip clubs and viewing porn. Like you, he doesn't see any problem with it. He's in his late thirties and still single.... So pornography has certainly harmed his life and his parents' lives

Non sequitur. He evidently isn't troubled by the fact that he's still single, so there's no harm there. His parents have no claim of right on his life, so there's no harm there either.

113 posted on 10/01/2002 8:03:21 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
Please demonstrate to me that there is no causal relationship between pornography and violence.

Would that not be asking to prove a negative?

114 posted on 10/01/2002 8:05:24 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Aquinasfan
For someone who makes such a murk of the distinction between correlation and causality to style himself "Aquinasfan" is as absurd as it would be for someone who revels in violence to style himself "Ghandifan".
115 posted on 10/01/2002 8:07:10 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
You mean most wives like it when their husbands view porn?

No, I mean that the vast majority of people who view porn don't kill people. Therefore porn does not cause people to kill anyone.

116 posted on 10/01/2002 8:18:33 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Jonathan
If pornography is neutral, can we show it to children?

1. I have no idea what "if pornography is neutral" even means.

2. No, it is not good to show pornography to children. Why would it be?

117 posted on 10/01/2002 8:58:04 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Aquinasfan
So pornography has certainly harmed his life and his parents' lives and, since he is my childhood friend, it has affected my life as well.

No, pornography did not harm his life. He used pornography to harm his life. The distinction is important, since it reflects the main distinction between a man and an amoeba, which is the presence of volition.

FWIW, I am a Christian and do not beleive there is any non-harmful or good use of pornography at all, whether for a married or a single person. It has no redeeming value, ever.

But pornography is a tool used by human wills, and it is to the wills that harm or good must be tallied in a Christian universe.

118 posted on 10/01/2002 9:06:37 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: RnMomof7
So this killing was not about porn it was about this mans adulterous heart

And, unfortunately, taking the bad stuff away from him won't fix his "heart problem", either.

119 posted on 10/01/2002 9:07:23 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Aquinasfan
I truly am sorry to hear about the tragic circumstances of your sister's marriage.

That being said, I see no reason to think viewing porn is any more or less damaging than watching gorey or violent action movies. I do think women are tremendously offended by porn, and not violent movies, only because they seem to have an innate contempt for anything they perceive as competition.

I think that's what happened in the topic story. I venture to say the wife, offended by the husband's consumption of porn, capitalized on his shame and embarrassment at being caught to inflict as much emotional injury as she could accomplish over several days. I think his choice of a computer cord, and an obvious phalic symbol as murder weapons say much about how he was being taunted when he snapped. (Note the crime is being treated as second degree murder...not premeditated.)

120 posted on 10/01/2002 9:17:33 AM PDT by Woahhs
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