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To: Southack
You are confused. Bush signed two, count them, two pro-gun bills into law (regarding arming pilots).

Make up your mind. Why were you claiming that one bill was merely the inclusion of the armed pilots issue within a broader bill? Now you want to claim it was two seperate bills. Fine. The Bush administration came out in strong opposition to the armed pilots issue early on. Fact.

If they were actually two seperate bills, you can show me the links to the bills you are talking about. I would take your word for it but you've changed your story.

In addition, Bush ordered Ashcroft and Solicitor General Olsen to inform the Supreme Court that the official U.S. position on the 2nd Amendment was that it protected individual rights rather than the "collective rights" of the Communists on the Left.

You are confused. Ashcroft doesn't "notify the supreme court" to do anything. He wrote a letter...it wasn't to the Supreme Court. He (Ashcroft) has also contradicted this opinion by his actions. If it is an individual right "not to be infringed" then the FBI and Justice department should not be enforcing laws which prevent citizens from carrying firearms aboard airplanes.

It's a "right" as long as it's convenient for Bush and Ashcroft.

But in clear oblivion to those facts, you claim otherwise.

B.S. I haven't claimed that Bush didn't sign CCW legislation in TX nor had I addressed any of the other issues apart from the pilots.

You know, the link that flat out debunked your claim about Bush and the ICC?

It didn't debunk anything. The Cato institute agreed with Bush. That doesn't debunk anything.

178 posted on 09/30/2002 8:51:57 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
"The Bush administration came out in strong opposition to the armed pilots issue early on. Fact."

Source?

You have none. You are bankrupt. At best, and I mean at BEST, you can show that the media CLAIMED that Bush was against arming pilots. What you can't show (yes, that's right you can't show it because you've either made it up or actually believed some leftists in the press) is that Bush himself opposed arming pilots.

That never happened, and you are merely repeating a myth that you can't substantiate (as in: you can't post a source link).

180 posted on 09/30/2002 8:56:02 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Demidog
In addition, Bush ordered Ashcroft and Solicitor General Olsen to inform the Supreme Court that the official U.S. position on the 2nd Amendment was that it protected individual rights rather than the "collective rights" of the Communists on the Left. - Southack

"You are confused. Ashcroft doesn't "notify the supreme court" to do anything. He wrote a letter...it wasn't to the Supreme Court." - Demidog

"Ashcroft's comments to the NRA were bolstered this spring by U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, who argues the government's side in cases before the U.S. Supreme Court.

In [written] appellate court filings in two separate cases, Olsen wrote, "The current position of the United States...is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engage in active military service or training, to possess their own firearms.."

Liberty Forum On Bush/Ashcroft/Olsen And 2nd Amendment Rights

182 posted on 09/30/2002 9:03:12 PM PDT by Southack
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