Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Toogood/Gorman... parking lot beating Mom

Posted on 09/23/2002 4:02:27 PM PDT by Conservababe

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-95 next last
To: PJ-Comix
Is this the accent of the Irish Travellers?

She sounds like a Michigander Yankee to me..

(Apologies to Conservative Michiganders)

41 posted on 09/23/2002 4:53:38 PM PDT by humblegunner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: kitkat
The Williamson gang is what they are known as in California. I suspect they are actually part of the Travelers though.
42 posted on 09/23/2002 4:55:10 PM PDT by Enterprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Williams
By TOM COYNE
.c The Associated Press

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (Sept. 23) - The woman caught on video beating her 4-year-old daughter in a department store parking lot will probably plead guilty and throw herself on the mercy of the court, her lawyer said Monday.

Madelyne Gorman Toogood, 25, was arraigned on a felony charge of battery to a child, and a magistrate entered an innocent plea on her behalf.

Her attorney, Steven Rosen, said there was no point in trying to challenge the surveillance videotape in court.

''I don't think there's anything, any expert of any degree in any type of credibility that can do anything about that tape. It is what it is,'' he said.

''We will probably enter a guilty plea and throw ourselves on the mercy of the court,'' he said after the arraignment.

Earlier Monday, a Probate Court judge ordered that Toogood's daughter, Martha, remain in foster care in the meantime, and he gave child-protection officials two weeks to recommend who should care for the girl.

If convicted, Toogood could get up to three years in prison. She faces a hearing on Oct. 7.

The mother of three had no comment as she left court. She remained free on $5,000 bail.

''People might think I'm a monster, but I've been a mother for six years, and no harm has come to my children before this, never,'' Toogood told CNN earlier Monday. ''I'm sorry. That's all I can say.''

A doctor examined the girl and found no medical problems and no long-term signs of abuse, authorities said.

Toogood told reporters Sunday she hit her daughter in the head and back and pulled her hair but did not punch her. On the video of the Sept. 13 incident, which has been televised nationally, Toogood appears to make punching motions toward her daughter inside a sport utility vehicle.

''Martha didn't deserve what she got,'' Toogood said over the weekend. ''I just lost my temper.''

Rosen said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away, prompting store employees to page Toogood twice.

Toogood said she hopes to be reunited with her daughter and that she, her daughter, and her husband, John, plan to start parenting classes. ''Anything that they want us to do, we will do,'' Toogood said.

She said her two young sons are staying with family.

Toogood said she and her husband have been living in Mishawaka for about six months. She said they are Irish Travelers - a nomadic group that police say has been linked to fraudulent home repair.

By some estimates, 7,000 Travelers live in the United States - most in Texas and South Carolina - about 40,000 live in Ireland and England. The Travelers began migrating to the United States more than 100 years ago.

Toogood's sister also was arraigned Monday on a charge of assisting a criminal.

43 posted on 09/23/2002 4:55:14 PM PDT by Spunky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
A couple of years ago I talked with a credit manager of a loan company. She said that there are groups of people who are good at scamming newer model vehicles. They establish enough credit and history to get a new vehicle and make one or two payments. Then they stop paying. It takes time to get the vehicle repossessed because the companies by now have no idea where the vehicle might be. When and IF the vehicle is repossessed and/or recovered, it will likely be trashed and mostly worthless.
44 posted on 09/23/2002 4:57:54 PM PDT by Enterprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: kitkat
That is part of the greater amazement of the whole affair. First she may be part of a large criminal enterprise. Second, she may have committed FELONY CHILD abuse! And her bail is set at 5,000 dollars! UNBELIEVEABLE isn't it?
45 posted on 09/23/2002 4:59:58 PM PDT by Enterprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Russ7
I don't know about the rest of you but I sure don't go for cameras spying on every stinking thing I do . . . Same kind of people that have nothing better to do than to pry into others business, probably are for cameras everywhere . . . Next time you pick you nose . . .
I'm sorry that security cameras offend you so. Perhaps you should avoid Kohl stores; and for that matter, I noticed a sign in the Walmart parking lot last Saturday informing me that the premises are video monitored. If you don't like the cameras - don't go to the stores, it's that simple. But, I can't blame any of the stores for having cameras because there are so damn many theives out there. In this case, I'm glad she was caught on "candid camera". The cameras don't bother me at all - I'm not a theif and I have nothing to hide. Perhaps you should pick your nose in private?
46 posted on 09/23/2002 5:00:44 PM PDT by Drumbo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Spunky
I think it's amazing people admit to being "Irish Travelers." I hope I was clear this woman was wrong. I'm just willing to say that I can't be sure how hard she hit her daughter and I think there has been overreaction on that score. If she "beat" that child for 35 seconds or punched her with a fist repeatedly there would be bruises. Apparently there is no sign of injury.
I guess I hope this all leads to less abuse of kids but I still don't like the nation taking this video and deciding they've all just seen a monster at work. That is unproven.
47 posted on 09/23/2002 5:01:23 PM PDT by Williams
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Williams
>>My point is how did she deliver a merciless 35 second beating including with a closed fist and the child is "fine"? <<

That's a very fair question. I'm no doctor, so I don't know if a child can be struck like that and show no marks. And I have not heard a credible medical report that says the girl is fine, only the word of the mom and her attorney, after the child has been hidden for what, a week? If I missed it, I will be glad to be informed of it.

Maybe she was hit in the stomach, that wouldn't show marks. Speculation, I admit.

But, we have the testimony of the little girl to consider. She said the woman shook her by the pigtails and hit her.

If I were on the jury, the fact that the woman grabbed her by the pigtails and shook a four-year-old child's head around would be considered battery. No question.

48 posted on 09/23/2002 5:03:02 PM PDT by SerpentDove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Conservobabe
Boo hoo hoo...Natalie is being stereotyped by the racist media and society which is critical against the travelers aka Gypsies aka Romany.
http://www.gypsyloresociety.org/extlinks.htm
49 posted on 09/23/2002 5:05:01 PM PDT by eleni121
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Phantom Lord
My theory in life is continually shown to be correct. NEVER trust a women with a hyphenated or multiple last name.

That's why I always liked Cher. Simple and to the point.

50 posted on 09/23/2002 5:05:07 PM PDT by mc5cents
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Enterprise
unless the little girl had a part to play in the con and flubbed it or she was too whiny during the con and Toogood took out her frustrations on her

From article I posted at posting #43

"Rosen said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away, prompting store employees to page Toogood twice."

51 posted on 09/23/2002 5:05:56 PM PDT by Spunky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: southern rock
and individually, I have not seen any hardcore evidence that a real beating took place in this instance.

Buonas noches. You have any kids?

52 posted on 09/23/2002 5:09:52 PM PDT by riley1992
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Enterprise
I believe that I heard that Toogood was mad because the store had refused to give her a cash refund for some goods. That is a scam too. They steal the merchandise and then return it for cash. That is why many stores now require a gift receipt in order to return merchandise that these scam artists claim were gifts. She is no doubt a 'gypsy' scam artist. Did you see that SUV she was driving?
53 posted on 09/23/2002 5:10:29 PM PDT by mc5cents
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Enterprise
On Fox was just said she (Toogood) owns 4-5 vehicles worth a few hundred thousand dollars.
54 posted on 09/23/2002 5:10:40 PM PDT by dennisw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: mc5cents
That's why I always liked Cher.

That statement should have been preceeded by a barf alert.

55 posted on 09/23/2002 5:10:55 PM PDT by Drumbo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: tall_tex
There must be a good dozen threads on this woman and the Travelers from this past week. Lots of links in those threads.

This one personal account of one group should get you started.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22murphy+village%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=19981215185616.13433.00000887%40ng120.aol.com&rnum=6
56 posted on 09/23/2002 5:11:12 PM PDT by decimon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Enterprise

http://fraudtech.bizland.com/news_link3.htm

Travelers get indictment for fraud charges
By Kathy Steele
South Carolina Bureau The Augusta Chronicle

NORTH AUGUSTA -- Three Irish Travelers from Murphy's Village in North Augusta have been indicted on federal charges of filing false loan applications to buy pickup trucks in Wayne, Nebraska.

The indictments were announced Thursday by the U.S. Attorney's Office, District of Nebraska.

Thomas ``Champ'' O'Hara, 47, and his sons, Michael, 26, and Bryan, 24, were charged in separate indictments with one count each of fraudulent use of a Social Security card. They are being held in Omaha at the Douglas County Detention Center after being arrested in June on a federal warrant in Eldorado, Kansas.

57 posted on 09/23/2002 5:13:56 PM PDT by dennisw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Spunky
Good post! Things got fast and furious here and it took me time to catch up and read it.
58 posted on 09/23/2002 5:17:22 PM PDT by Enterprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Drumbo
Whoops. ---Sorry
59 posted on 09/23/2002 5:18:17 PM PDT by mc5cents
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: mc5cents
When I first saw the video I couldn't help noticing that it was a newer SUV. And at the time she seemed fairly well groomed. My suspicious perked up though when I heard she might be a "Traveler."
60 posted on 09/23/2002 5:19:41 PM PDT by Enterprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-95 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson