[Red Jones]

i did not post that to you, but I don't apologize for it. I was also simply raised among a group of people who were willing to make great sacrifices for one another and were very loyal to their fellow americans. duty, honor, country is a code I remember.

You asked 'how do we compete?'. Well, look friend we've been the top dogs in engineering, in innovation, in inventions, in nobel prizes for as long as we've been doing it. Of all the patents and inventions that are worthwhile to people since 1800 it is not just 50%, it is a much higher percentage than that that were made by americans, it is really in the vicinity of 80%. You look at the nobel prizes given out for science in the last several decades and it is a list of americans with a few foreigners interspersed. The non-american born americans on the list emmigrated to the US freely without being indentured servants. We've always had programs encouraging the top people to do that, that's why our grad schools have so many foreigners in them. Nobody is against that.

We americans have this awesome history of technical innovation and achievement for several reasons. One reason is that our people historically have had a lot of character and heart. Another reason is that we've systematically made education available to everyone, even to common people. Another reason is that we've had a legal system and a cultural environment even that encouraged the actual achievers to be actually rewarded financially for their achievements.

Other nations have failed in comparison to us because they did not do these things. They were more like what we're moving to now, where the manipulators of laws and those in power take the lion's share from the actual producers.

It is stupid to believe that we can't make a lot of other changes besides h1b in order to compete. The business class is dominated by selfish cowards. They should rally the american people to pressure government to cut its spending, to cut its taxation and to cut bad regulations which have destroyed whole industries.

So be happy, the disrespect I have for the corporate and political elite who are so weak and who have given us this h1b is far far greater than anything I might have for you.

[ComputationalComplexity]

That was what I was saying all along, improve education and efficiency, and gradually phase out the H1Bs and replace them with our own elite engineers, its the best solution I could think of. Both you and bluedriver were thinking in terms of tariffs, government intervention, that would employ the surplus of laid off engineers we have right now. I'm saying that its not a good plan, a short term fix, that is all.