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you really should read Matloff's research, I posted link to it somewhere above.

But you just said that we shouldn't cry to government every time things don't go our way. H1b is government intervention into the market. The big corporations have gone to the government and cried when things didn't go so well and gotten h1b passed which has destroyed the market.

You are right of course that it is not so easy to educate and develop valuable engineers. But sandbagging those who somehow get themselves developed successfully is not going to encourage it happening. This is what I mean, the current path we're on is government facilitated ethnic cleansing. I think we should be able to agree that we don't want that.

If we were to make a national effort to develop the world's best cadre of such elite and talented people as is in fact in our nation's interest, then here is how we should proceed. All schools in america should test out the kids on aptitude tests to identify between ages 12 and 16 the kids who have talent, that is who test in top 1-2% of their peers on such tests. These kids we should invite to special schools where they are with kids like themselves, where they are given intensive and high quality elite educations in math, computers, software, hardware, engineering, physics. If we were to do this, then probably 90% of the kids who test out in this category would be male. They would also not necessarilly be evenly distributed as to race. THis makes it politically unacceptable to our school people to do, but that is part of the problem.

We should also revolutionize our technical institutes. Our technical institutes are all privately owned and get their revenue from the fact that the students get scholarships and loans from government to attend. The scholarships should be based on aptitude, currently they are not. They actually take a lot of dumb people and put them into these institutes at government expense and then we wonder why it doesn't work out. I'm sure some of these scholarship decisions are made based on ethnic background. This is wrong. We are building failure.

Even hard opponents of H1b like myself and like professor matloff see a value for h1b. Matloff doesn't want to eliminate the program completely. He wants it dramatically scaled back and to reform it so that the foreign immigrants can switch jobs so that hot-heads like me can't call them 'indentured servants'. I would personally scale it back to only 30,000 or so visas per year and charge some nice fees so the corps will only bring in people who are known to be especially good.

A lot of americans could fit into jobs successfully that they are just not given the chance to work. A lot of american kids are growing up on ritalin when with a better regime running things could prepare them successfully for these types of careers.

If we were to make a national effort to develop the world's best cadre of such elite and talented people as is in fact in our nation's interest..

Why is it that everyone wants to come here to attend our colleges if our schools are so bad? I have a 3rd grader who gets one hour of homework every night. People need to realize that Americans are the most productive and competent workers in the world and stop repeating this mantra that our institutions and our workers are inferior. If India and China had such great institutions then why is it that those workers and students want to come to America?

"If we were to make a national effort to develop the world's best cadre of such elite and talented people as is in fact in our nation's interest, then here is how we should proceed. All schools in america should test out the kids on aptitude tests to identify between ages 12 and 16 the kids who have talent, that is who test in top 1-2% of their peers on such tests. These kids we should invite to special schools where they are with kids like themselves, where they are given intensive and high quality elite educations in math, computers, software, hardware, engineering, physics. If we were to do this, then probably 90% of the kids who test out in this category would be male. They would also not necessarilly be evenly distributed as to race. THis makes it politically unacceptable to our school people to do, but that is part of the problem. " I totally agree your opinion. But you know the PC crowd will never let it happen.