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UGH. Nice summary of disgusting stuff.
1 posted on 09/20/2002 9:32:38 AM PDT by vannrox
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Tennessee - Bill to allow CCW guns in bars - Defeated. Police are forced to issue CCW permits

The format here is confusing. Am I to understand that one may carry a concealed weapon in Tennessee with a permit, but may not bring that weapon into a bar?

Seems silly, to allow CCW but restrict the location. Defeats the purpose, in my opinion.

2 posted on 09/20/2002 9:38:54 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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Here's the New Mexico Constitution's RKBA clause:

Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]

No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)

It would appear that the NM Supreme Court is operating under the principle of "anything not permitted is forbidden," just like you might find in a typical police state. It's a bad ruling. At least they still have open carry there.

3 posted on 09/20/2002 9:40:02 AM PDT by mvpel
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Anyone know what the court's rationale was?
4 posted on 09/20/2002 9:40:12 AM PDT by inquest
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Sounds like the idiots are bragging about a lot of nothing!
Most states allow concealed carry.
It seems New Mexico would be a shoo-in due to all the illegal 'New Mexicans' overrunning the place.
I don't leave home without it!


7 posted on 09/20/2002 9:49:12 AM PDT by rockfish59
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The New Mexico Supreme Court yesterday struck down the gun lobby-supported state law allowing the carrying of concealed weapons (CCW). This decision marks yet another defeat for the National Rifle Association's (NRA) efforts to force police to issue CCW permits.

Wow, what a blatant mischaracterization. The fact that the law was struck down is actually a bit of a victory for the NRA here.

I'm a New Mexican and gun owner. I've been following this. Here are the facts:

1) The NM state constitution is specific in upholding the right to carry arms openly. Further, the NM constitution disallows any city, county or locality from regulation of firearms--firearm policy is reserved at the state level.

2) The idiot NM legislators passed a CCW law with a 'local option' allowing cities and localities to regulate the carrying of concealed firearms.

Was there ever any doubt that it would be overturned?

Here's the best part--carrying a weapon concealed is only a petty misdemeanor in NM and is only ever used as an 'add-on' to other charges because the courts have to prove that you were either on your way to or from a crime while carrying a concealed firearm....

Many people (myself included) didn't want a CCW bill passed because we already carry concealed because the punishment is so minor and difficult to prosecute....

8 posted on 09/20/2002 9:49:33 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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Unfortunartely, the NRA did not support proposed CWP reforms in SC.

Fortunately, GrassRoots South Carolina did.

We didn't get carry on the premises of schools, but we did remove a number of silly restrictions (e.g., no carry in public parks, interstate rest areas, restaurant parking lots).

The NRA leadership needs to get squarely behind local gun rights.

12 posted on 09/20/2002 9:51:40 AM PDT by DrNo
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I love the way these marxist (in true form) refer to the situation as "police are forced to issue CCW permits".

No mention of police not being forced to issue these to felons

No mention of the fact that the overwhelming percentage of the populations in these states support the idea of law abiding citizens carrying firearms.

These bozo's are living in a fantasy land.

16 posted on 09/20/2002 9:55:59 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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I just do not understand how so many VERY conservative states in the south and mid-west do not have CCW, and in some very liberal states, (like Konnecticut, for instance), CCW is pretty common.
What's up with that?
20 posted on 09/20/2002 9:59:10 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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Can anyone tell me why we "need" permits in the first place? Isn't the 2nd Amendment permit enough.
23 posted on 09/20/2002 10:11:48 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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Actually, the NMSSC did gun-owners here a favor. By striking down what stated as a pretty good bill, turned into a lame excuse byt eh Dumocraps, it gives us a chance to write the bill it should have been

There was no provision for reciprocity.
There was too high a fee. ($100)
There was annual renewal.($100)
There was no provision for calibers under .32
You had to qualify with each caliber you intended to carry.
You had to qualify for both revolver and auto if you decided to carry either one.

The bill working now covers all of these items.

Reciprocity with states surrounding NM.
$100 fee for a 5-year license.
$35 renewal.
Under qualifying, if you can qualify with the .45 Automatic, you will be allowed to carry either revolver or auto in any caliber.

Bill Richardson said he would sign a CCW bill if it got to his desk. John Sanchez says the same.

I hope to get that answer from Richardson on tape at our gun show in October.

29 posted on 09/20/2002 10:37:19 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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Police are forced to issue CCW permits.

As opposed to the gun-grabbers' wish, "Police are forced to deny CCW permits".

32 posted on 09/20/2002 10:55:27 AM PDT by Dan Day
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38 posted on 09/20/2002 11:31:43 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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39 posted on 09/20/2002 11:43:41 AM PDT by Search4Truth
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im feeling naked before The State.
44 posted on 09/20/2002 12:14:55 PM PDT by justsomedude
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"Forcing" - now there's a word you don't hear from liberals every day. Its not "force" to require the taxpayers to fund abortion, but its suddenly "force" to require the government to treat all citizens on an equal footing when it comes to protecting one's life, liberty, and property. One has to marvel at the Orwellian skulduggery liberals engage in when it comes to the good old-fashioned double standard. Something for the rest of us to remember when the government, to use the liberals' own favorite word in the handgun control debate, "forces" us to do without when our very lives are in danger.
47 posted on 09/20/2002 12:42:21 PM PDT by goldstategop
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Is this an agitprop hit piece or what?
55 posted on 09/20/2002 5:38:32 PM PDT by tet68
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