On the Importance of Jihad as a Means of Destroying the 'Infidel Countries'

The Middle East Media Research Institute ^ | September 04, 2002 | MEMRI

[abner]

This is exactly what Muslims should condemn. This distrotion of the Qur'an and the disregard for the Sunnah (Teachings of Muhammed, PBUH) is an outrage. Islam is not about murder and slaughter, and whoever thinks that it is needs to research Islam a little more closely. This murderous hate-mongering is something to be abhored, and I implore every Muslim to denounce these people and step away from them. This is not the way a Muslim is supposed to act. All forms of hate are wrong. We are not the judges, for the True Judge will make all decisions on the Last Day. Peace to all who want a peaceful world.

That may be the case. But, in the eyes of the Radical Islamists, you would also be targeted as an infidel for your beliefs. Muslims like what you describe did not attack us. The ones that spout hate and the end of civilization as we know it did.

Welcome to FR.

[ladyinred]

Thank you Sharif for saying this. It would help if more Muslims would do likewise. Why do you suppose they aren't?

[NYCVirago]

Address: 1373 Broad Street. Clifton, NJ 07003

Interesting. Several of the 9/11 terrorists lived in Paterson, which is next to Clifton.

[ppaul]

Click on pic to read online book,
Why I am Not a Muslim, by Ibn Warraq:

[JZoback]

bump for later

[peteram]

From what I've read and understand of this "religion", Muhammed took Mecca and Medina by force. The unbelievers refused to convert, so he in essence said "Convert or die." Many died and many converted, out of intimidation.

It's been this way throughout history. Look at Pakistan/Bangladesh, Indonesia and the Philippines, as well as many African nations. Everywhere the Muslims wanted to spread their Islamic "faith" it was done by force, not through evangelization by peaceful missionaries.

This article just re-affirms the Islamic stance regarding non-muslims. The Koran is a War manual and Islam is a cancer on the face of this earth and needs to be stopped. I understand radiation works pretty well to eradicate cancers.

[wotan]

Good luck to you, Sharif, but you will find very few
on this web-site who are not Muslim-hating fanatics.

[piasa]

They're afraid to say it; when a few very vocal and violent thugs are added to a group of decent folk, the decent folk are quickly cowed into silence. Their silence encourages the thugs to go beyond intimidation of their own people, to outright violence against any dissenters, and more violence directed towards outsiders. The perps know their group is unhappy but deflect this by blaming outsiders for their ills, and they go on to attack people beyond their group. Meanwhile, their group remains cowed into silence. And that silence angers the outsiders who are also being victimized by the thugs. The anger results in vigilanteism at times, which in turn makes blaming outsiders and violence agaisnt them seem justifiable. It's a vicious circle.

But the circle can be broken when the people in the base group realize that they can take on the thugs and start to speak out in condemnation of them. They can clean out undesireables in their communities by standing up for what is right, instead of protecting those who are wrong.

[knighthawk]

Do your own research right now, in the hadith:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.362

And koran:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.067

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

[DWSUWF]

"...The Koran is a War manual and Islam is a cancer on the face of this earth and needs to be stopped. I understand radiation works pretty well to eradicate cancers..."

Radiation works, yes, but don't sell Chemotherapy short...

When the wind conditions are right, it can be an effective follow-up to those multi-megaton radiation doses.

[SJackson]

Thanks for your comments.

[BullDog108]

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[swarthyguy]

>>This distrotion of the Qur'an and

We've heard all these statements about true muslims and suchlike. And the so called distortion of the kuran.

You're gonna have a hard time convincing us of the BS about islam being hijacked when all over the world, from the Piillippines to Indonesia, Malaysia, even Thailand now, to Kashmir, Chechnya, Israel, Sudan, Algeria and the Balkans, the jihadis pursue their bloodletting with great fervor, enthusiasm and joy.

Better yet, the serious issue is the total lack of credibility on the part of the US muslims in relation to the rest of America. American muslims have not shown or demonstrated or proved that their primary loyalty is to America and to a civil secular society that promotes equality for women and tolerates and encourages a variety of viewpoints.

Don't the American muslims understand the hole they've dug for themselves.

[swarthyguy]

Party Line is right. Another offering of dua - the call to islam.....

When we reject it, we deserve to be killed.

What he doesn't realise is that the koran has been read by Americans. And they don't like what they see in it.

And the unbridled arrogance. 3000+ Americans and foreigners are killed in attacks on American and we're told to read the book that inspired the killers.

What hogwash! Maybe they should be reading the US Constitution instead.

[JohnathanRGalt]

There is the domain registration information which you got with the command: whois -h whois.melbourneit.com jehad.net and there is the physical location of the website which you can get with a 'ping':

C:\>ping www.jehad.net
Pinging jehad.net [216.74.109.254] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.74.109.254: bytes=32 time=91ms TTL=49

The owner of the IP address can be obtained with this command:
whois -h whois.arin.net 216.74.109.254

OrgName: Virtual Development INC
OrgID: VDI
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CIDR: 216.74.64.0/18
NetName: VDI-1-BL
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Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
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You can contact the ISP and ask them about the site. Most ISPs have policies which allow them to remove sites which have 'hate speech' or carry illegal terrorist activites. Sometimes an ISP will be reluctant to take down a site in a foriegn language such as Arabic if they don't know what is being said on the site. In this case we have a MEMRI translation of site content so they can't use that as an excuse.

[Quix]

Well said to my mind. Thanks.

[Sharif]

It is true that American Muslims have been invisible during this whole escapade and that our voices have not received national attention during the tradegy of Sept. 11th. But you speak as if you have a serious chip on your shoulder. You immediatly go into an offensive attack instead of looking at the cause of all of this. Madmen have been allowed to run many of these Middle-Eastern countries and they have depressed the economies and stolen from the weak and down-trodden. This has created a powder-keg which let the likes of Osama Bin Laden become a messiah to the oppressed masses. He teaches hate and he does indeed distort the Qur'an.
But American Muslims are not tolerent of terrorisim. Why do you think most of these forigners came here? They are trying to escape the hell that their countries have become because of these dictators. We speak out against terrorisim, but we do not receive national attention and we do not have a public forum for people to listen to our opinions.
Many Americans are accepting Islam even after the 9/11 attacks. This is because they can see what many can't. God guides who he wishes.

[swarthyguy]

>>"We speak out against terrorisim, but we do not receive national attention and we do not have a public forum for people to listen to our opinions.

After the September Attacks on America in 2001, literally every TV talk show offered American Muslims the opportunity to talk about the attacks.

What we got was moral lecturing and putting the blame on the USA. Spokesmen like Ibrahim Hooper and others were very careful not to condemn islam or give us some cliches about them not being real muslims. These were representatives of 'mainstream' muslims groups like CAIR and AMC.

The opportunity was given. And American muslims failed to grasp the nettle.

>>>Many Americans are accepting Islam even after the 9/11 attacks. This is because they can see what many can't. God guides who he wishes.

>>>Many Americans are accepting Islam even after the 9/11 attacks. This is because they can see what many can't. God guides who he wishes.

See, it is this self righteous, morally upright tone, condescending to others that really irks.

[Sharif]

I hear the hate in your voice and see that you are reaching out for help. You can find information on Islam here: http://islamicity.com/mosque/quran/.
Answer one question for me. Which war or by whose sword was responsible for the conversion of the population of Indonesia, the country with the most Muslims in it. The truth is, nobody fought to convert the Indonesians. The Muslim traders came into Indonesia and through example and good works, people started to accept Islam. This is fact. You can read it here: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+id0016).
You may believe what you want, but the reason that Muhammed (PBUH) fought against the non-Muslims was that he was under attack. The "infidels" were the ones who initiated the battle, and if you read the Qur'an, it says "And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and religion is for God. If they cease attacking, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression, for God never loves the warmonger." (2:193). This EXPLICITLY tells Muslims to not war with those who are not warring with them. You may find many different translantions of the above passage, but this is an accurate translation, from Arabic to English. When it says "Fight until religion is for God", this is speaking about the pagans who worshipped objects and not God. Remember, Muhammed (SAW) had a good relationship with the Christians. He was granted safety in Medina by the Christians, and they were mutually respectful of each other. In the words of the Qur'an: Quran 17:36. "We have full respect to those who believe different than us." Quran teaches : "There shall be no compulsion in religion". 2:256
So there you go.
To catagorize us as warmongers is insulting, but I think that it is a cry for help. Please visit a professional and seek help for your anger.