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An 'Authentic' Conservative, Buchanan Parts With Bush
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 | BY BRIAN MITCHELL

Posted on 08/28/2002 9:16:46 AM PDT by sixmil

Patrick J. Buchanan isn't giving up. He's left the Republican Party for good. And he isn't planning a fourth run for the White House.

But he is finally trying something fans have been telling him to do for years. He's founding a magazine.

The new, bi-weekly magazine will debut next month and be called "The American Conservative." Scott McConnell, former editorial-page editor of the New York Post, will edit it. Society gadfly Taki Theodoracopulos will help with cash.

Buchanan is upbeat, about the magazine at least.

"We hope to have a conservative magazine which is genuinely and authentically conservative," he said. "We hope it will be sort of a rallying point for the conservatism that is really utterly unrepresented by either the K Street conservatives or the Weekly Standard, National Review, Commentary, New Republic neocons."

IBD talked with Buchanan at his home in Virginia to get a flavor for the new journal.

IBD: How are we doing in the war on terror?

Buchanan: I think the president did a bully job of diplomacy and moral leadership from September to January. The way they fought that war and won it was outstanding. It was a moral and just war, fought in a moral and just way.

But when he got into identifying an "axis of evil" and then threatening pre-emptive strikes against all nations that might develop the kinds of weapons we've had for the past century, he lost his focus. He has disrupted alliances. He has threatened actions that we don't have the troops in place to take.

He's asserting a right to wage pre-emptive war without the approval of Congress on any nation that aspires to build the kinds of weapons we've had since World Wars I and II. I don't think he's got the right to do that, and I think a policy of warning about pre-emptive strikes is the kind of policy that could invite pre-emptive strikes against us.

IBD: What about a war with Iraq?

Buchanan: Anybody who has a state, including Saddam Hussein, is going to be reluctant to go to war against the United States or to commit any atrocity which would put them in a war with the U.S. Containment and deterrence will work with almost any state.

Saddam is terrified of the United States. He wants to hand over his power to one of these sons of his. He's got all these palaces out there.

Why in heaven's name would he want to trigger a war with the United States of America and have all that blown to kingdom come along with him, his sons, his family, his dynasty, his army, everything?

I don't think we should give up on the policy of deterrence. It frightened Joe Stalin. It frightened Mao Tse-tung. These guys are not in that league.

IBD: What should we be doing here at home?

Buchanan: The first thing we should do is get serious about border security. Since 9-11, we've only had 411,000 illegal aliens come into the United States.

If there is a weapon of mass destruction smuggled into this country, the whole idea of global interdependence and 10,000 Mexican trucks coming into the U.S. every day, almost all of them not inspected, and over a million containers - that's going to come to an end.

It will be a very powerful argument for retiring to economic independence and economic nationalism, where you do not have thousands of people crossing your border every day. One or two more of these attacks and globalization itself is in trouble.

IBD: What will that mean for an open society?

Buchanan: I'm a believer in an open society, I'm a believer in a free society, and this is why I'm opposed to the idea of an empire. They say we need a Department of Homeland Security. I thought the Defense Department was in charge of homeland security. Apparently it's in charge of empire security.

Of what advantage is all this American empire, interfering in all these quarrels around the world, if as a consequence we lose freedom at home and live in constant danger of some kind of small atomic weapon detonated on American soil?

I think the American empire is going to go, and I think that's a good thing. The reason they were over here on 9-11 is that we are over there.

IBD: Where do you see things 10 years from now?

Buchanan: I regret that for the rest of Mr. Bush's first term, we're going to be at war. The president has subcontracted out our Middle East policy to Ariel Sharon, and I think that's a dreadful mistake.

Palestinian terrorists ought to be condemned and Israel has a right to peace, but you have to give the Palestinian people some hope. And I think Bush's (June 24) speech gives them very, very little hope. I think his speech could have been written in Tel Aviv.

IBD: Will there ever be a Palestinian state?

Buchanan: I think the question is not whether there'll be a Palestinian state. There may be two. The ultimate question is whether there's going to be a Jewish state in the Mideast. I think Ariel Sharon is leading them into a cul-de-sac from which there is no way out but back through Oslo and Tabaah and the Saudi plan.


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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
"So, I guess I could look at it as meaning a "new" type of conservative, or I could look at it as an offensive form or stating any conservative who thinks "abnormal" in the context of Conservativism, (neo-cons)."

No....you have it right. Also, I believe many Buchananites on this thread are indulging in a little transferrance at the expense of the majority in the enormous blue area of the 2000 election map. They're being rather transparent.

221 posted on 08/28/2002 2:33:19 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: rogerthedoger
"I'm not a neo-conservative, and I don't use the term disparagingly."

Since we're being accused of being Nazis and Trotskyite Socialists on this thread...I would hazard the guess that some on this thread are using it in a disparaging way.

222 posted on 08/28/2002 2:35:25 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Likewise.
223 posted on 08/28/2002 2:35:26 PM PDT by rogerthedodger
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To: cake_crumb
If your detractors are of the mindset to confuse Nazism and Trotskyism and label you with both, then you have nothing to worry about.
224 posted on 08/28/2002 2:37:20 PM PDT by rogerthedodger
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To: rogerthedoger
Sorry...I should have added to that : I'm not a "neo-con" either. I have never seen the term used in any BUT a disparaging way, by bot the far-right and the entire left....to describe mainstream America, which I am a part of.

Mainstream America does not take well to being accused of being that which our families fought against. That is why we take offense.

225 posted on 08/28/2002 2:38:31 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: ex-snook
Buchannan is a wannabe, who has NO INSIDE INFORMATION that would give him the NEEDED INTELLIGENCE to make an informed decision.

Just like Sowcroft doesn't have that information, nor Baker, nor Scott Ridder for that matter.

Why in the world, do people assume that things remain the same in the almost 5 years since Scott Ridder left? Do you think he has recent intelligence on that region? The smarter person would admit that "they don't know". They can give an opinion based on PAST experience, but to state un-equivically that they KNOW is ignorance in its highest form. I mean that for all the above mentioned hawks.

In the military we were told the smartest answer when you don't know something, isn't to speak words as though you do.. but to state "I don't know, but I will find out". That always made a great amount of sense to me. Do you disagree with that analogy?

And, since we are discussing "idiots",.. (you asked me to comment on this article and it pertains to Buchannan, who in our estimate "is" one) why do YOU think any of his words hold any value regarding Iraq? What inside information HAS HE EVER HAD? What intelligence? When, Why, Where would he have ever gotten said intelligence?

I don't know what your "past" experience is/was. But if your screen name has any truth to it.. then you must see where I'm going with this. Do you?

226 posted on 08/28/2002 2:42:40 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
"Actually, after reading up on NEO,.. it would seem Buchannan is the Neo"

Agreed, 1000%.

As I said before, I have never read the term "neo-con" used in any BUT a disparaging way by either the far right or the entire left....therefore we can safely assume the term is, and is meant to be, an insult to put those who disagree on the defensive...thus giving the far-right and entire left a small tactical advantage over the statistical majority.

227 posted on 08/28/2002 2:43:54 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Well, I'm not sure how you define "neo-con." I always thought that I'm mainstream, and Idon't hold to much of the views of the neo-conservative movement. Am I out of the mainstream now because I don't agree with Richard Perle?

My family fought against a lot of things since we've been here--Purtians, Quakers, Indians, Kings (both British and Spanish), Hessians, Mexican dictators, Federal troops, Germans, Italians, etc. What fights are you talking about in particular?
228 posted on 08/28/2002 2:44:19 PM PDT by rogerthedodger
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To: cake_crumb
As I said before, I have never read the term "neo-con" used in any BUT a disparaging way by either the far right or the entire left....therefore we can safely assume the term is, and is meant to be, an insult to put those who disagree on the defensive...thus giving the far-right and entire left a small tactical advantage over the statistical majority.

Good points!! Thanks!

229 posted on 08/28/2002 2:47:20 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
So...when Irving Kristol write books such as "Reflections of a Neo-conservative" he's disparaging himself. (Irving Kristol is a prominent neoconservative).
230 posted on 08/28/2002 2:48:56 PM PDT by Sid Rich
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To: sixmil
Fantastic interview with a true American statesman.
231 posted on 08/28/2002 2:50:15 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Sid Rich
C'mon, Sid Rich, we were doing so well without evidence.
232 posted on 08/28/2002 2:50:39 PM PDT by rogerthedodger
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To: ex-snook
If I relied exclusively on the opinions on this board; I would not believe that.
233 posted on 08/28/2002 2:53:55 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: rogerthedoger
Oh NO, don't misunderstand me:

My post was meant to CLARIFY, not confuse....so of course exactly the opposite happened. I mean the mainstream Alerica doesn't take to being accused of being the things their families fought against....in your reply to me you reacted exactly the way mainstream America does....the way all of us on this very thread, who are being accused...and I DO mean accused, of being 'neo-cons' are!

Sheesh...I have to make supper....have a good night, and don't let the venomous ones on this thread confuse you.

234 posted on 08/28/2002 2:55:31 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Sid Rich
As I said Sid, I'm still looking into this phrase. To be honest, I had never heard of the term until today. If there was indeed such a movement, then it escaped my cognitive process for input. What more can I say? I'm human.

Roger was extremely polite in directing me to a different view regarding it. I will look into it, and would even appreciate any information on this movement.

So I could not answer your statement "So...when Irving Kristol write books such as "Reflections of a Neo-conservative he's disparaging himself. (Irving Kristol is a prominent neoconservative)."

I will research it though, and save any final judgement until I have an "educated" opinion. Thanks! I truly appreciate you and Roger giving me friendly debate. Honestly!
235 posted on 08/28/2002 2:58:18 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: cake_crumb
Enjoy your supper. I'm staying on. Gotta have something to keep me awake at work.
236 posted on 08/28/2002 2:59:37 PM PDT by rogerthedodger
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Same to you. I would suggest a google search on Irving Kristol.
237 posted on 08/28/2002 3:05:01 PM PDT by Sid Rich
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To: CWRWinger
If that be so, how would Pat explain Arafat? IMO, Bush should have arrested Arafat months ago. If Sharon had his way, Arafat would be a just memory.

Exactly. Remember when Saddam launched scuds at Israel during the Gulf War and we got them not to retaliate? That shows me who is really running the show.

238 posted on 08/28/2002 3:12:10 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: BlazingArizona
Deterrence might work if Iraq itself were theatening to invade the US or neighboring states, but that's not what we're afraid of this time. We fear that Saddam is arming and sheltering al Qaeda. We need to define any Iraqi military facility that Saddam refuses to let us inspect as a facility that won't be there tomorrow morning.

How is that a threat if we do not let Al-Queda near our borders? I think the point is that we can do all this without putting any troops on the ground.

239 posted on 08/28/2002 3:14:45 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
The rest is right on target? Buchanan is a psychopath!! Good Lord, to think ANYONE supports his mindset, is frightening to say the least.

BOO!

240 posted on 08/28/2002 3:15:23 PM PDT by sixmil
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