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Baseball's greedy players: Williams vows to boycott major league games if players strike
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, August 24, 2002 | Kyle Williams

Posted on 08/24/2002 12:00:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

A week ago, the Baseball Union set a strike date for the end of the month. The baseball players have shown that they're not playing around when they vow to strike, because there have been eight strikes in baseball in the past 30 years.

This has to do with, of course, money. A new economic system is being proposed for Major League Baseball, but the players are worried about their salaries being cut if this system is put in place. Presto, the automatic solution is to quit working.

The planning of a strike on the 30th -- and another World Series canceled -- is upsetting to me and many other baseball fans.

You have to understand: I grew up on the baseball field, with my brother playing baseball and my sister playing softball. I started playing – T-Ball at least – when I was four, but even before then, I was playing in the dirt somewhere at a game.

In recent years, I have played competitive baseball. My siblings and I have all been on competitive teams and traveled across the country to play in tournaments where a 100+ teams participated.

Not only have I been around baseball my entire life, I've supported Major League Baseball by watching the games on television, traveling far distances to MLB games, as well as buying a lot of baseball paraphernalia. My favorite team has always been the losing Chicago Cubs and I've never once wanted the Yankees to win a game.

My dad is a baseball fanatic, as is my sister, my brother and myself – even my mother likes to watch baseball and follows the games.

The game of baseball is one of the smartest, difficult and most complex games ever created. Abner Doubleday invented the game in the 1830s and the complexities still boggle the mind of players and fans.

A small ball is thrown up to and sometimes over 100 miles per hour to a batting plate 60 feet away, where a batter with a thin bat has to move his hips, bring the bat around, find the ball, and generate enough bat speed to meet the bat with the ball – this is all done in less than a second.

However, that description is just a tiny fraction of what comes into play with the game of baseball. Yet, even just that complex, nine players must work together to win at this game. No wonder baseball is America's pastime.

Sadly, the game has come from a time where players were loyal to their managers, teams and teammates, to a day and age of greed – and it has nearly come to a point where money is the only tangible factor that comes into play when players makes decisions on which team to play.

After all the players have been blessed with over the years, more is still demanded. They're worried about a cut in pay raises, but I was under the impression that a million dollars in one year was more than enough money for anyone.

The blessings that they have received are all from the baseball fans. Therefore, they owe it to the fans to do whatever it takes to prevent a strike. But money is everything to these guys.

The baseball strike is set for the end of the month. I hope the strike is called off – not only for the benefit of the fans, but also for the benefit of the players, because many fans won't come back.

I have supported baseball for as long as I have been able to, but what do I get back in return? A slap in the face by greedy people who play a children's game as a source of income.

If indeed, the baseball players do strike, I vow that as of the strike date, I will never watch, read, or have anything to do with Major League Baseball until this generation of players are gone. Will you join me?

Greed has taken over the game and it's a sad sight.


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Saturday, August 24, 2002

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1 posted on 08/24/2002 12:00:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The players and their union are entirely in the right here. They are on the side of the free market, and the owners are on the side of protectionism.

The players simply want the freedom to be payed the market price for their talents. Nothing more, nothing less.

When a player and a club agree on a wage; it is just that: an agreement. There is no coercion on either part. Therefore, the agreed wage can only be fair. If it isn't, then the owner wouldn't pay it, or the player wouldn't accept it.

So, the union's single demand, if it can be called that, is for things to remain as they are at present. That is, a system where a player earns a wage determined by the market.

To throw up examples of overpriced players is to miss the point (Vinny Castilla and Albie Lopez!). These players were offered a wage by stupid owners, and they accepted the offer.

And greed? Were forced to do a job worth $15M for $10M, I would be mad too. Any money saved on wages remains with the owners.

I don't want to see a strike, but I will understand if the players do strike, and I'll be watching as soon as things start again. The owners are the ones who have brought about this state of affairs, and anger should rightly be aimed at them.

Andrew
2 posted on 08/24/2002 2:07:31 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: Andy Ross
Many of the real problems in baseball stem from expansion. Expansion provides more venues for people to watch games, but it forces clubs to not only operate with less revenue than they would have without expansion, but it forces them to pay more for a team of players that isn't as good as it would be without expansion.

Why does nobody mention this?

3 posted on 08/24/2002 3:01:59 AM PDT by supercat
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To: JohnHuang2
I quit following ML baseball after their last strike. We got a Single A minor league team here that's fun to watch and a reserved seat behind home plate costs 5 bucks.
4 posted on 08/24/2002 3:08:38 AM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: Aeronaut
If it were not for aluminum bats college baseball would be the purest form of the game that I once knew.Remember when going to minor league games you are just supporting what is taking place in the big leagues.This is all based on supply and demand anyway and as long as people attend and spend the gluttons will still consume and demand.We pay because of our own actions and it is a shame when a ballplayer can make more in one at bat than the average yearly salary in America.Think about it?
Also while you think,look at the average CEO in corporate America and he can make millions while his company and its holders are going down the drain.Where else can you go and be rewarded so handsomely for failing?
5 posted on 08/24/2002 3:21:26 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Andy Ross
Pro-Football and Pro-Basketball became socialistic to save thier industry, Baseball wiil have to change or chaos will result.
6 posted on 08/24/2002 3:31:22 AM PDT by Tripleplay
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To: supercat
I don't see any reasoning behind your stance on expansion.

Why does it reduce revenues of existing clubs? The revenues of baseball clubs have skyrocketed over the past decade: even faster than player wages have increased.

Why does expansion force teams to pay a player more than he's worth? The overpaid players are overpaid because of stupid owners: it has nothing to do with the system. To use examples from my team: Vinny Castilla and Albie Lopez both get payed around 4 million bucks a year. No one twisted the Braves' arms to sign these worthless players.

There is plenty of room for even more baseball teams. There could be at least one more in NY, one in Las Vegas, one in DC/Virginia and a whole host of other places.

And on the point of reducing talent? The talent pool is increasing, as teams look further than ever before for future stars. We're seeing an influx of players from Japan and even Australia.

Andrew
7 posted on 08/24/2002 3:31:41 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: Tripleplay
It will be to the detriment of the game if baseball adapts to satisfy the owners.

It's a bizarre role reversal, when we see a union trying to salvage what it can of a free system.

Andrew
8 posted on 08/24/2002 3:36:38 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: JohnHuang2
Sadly, the game has come from a time where players were loyal to their managers, teams and teammates, to a day and age of greed – and it has nearly come to a point where money is the only tangible factor that comes into play when players makes decisions on which team to play.

Pretty much sums up why I refuse to subsidize baseball and why football is rapidly losing it's appeal to me.

I think once the teams became a group of hired contractors the concept of them being a "team" didn't really click with me. I'd like to think of a team like the Chicago "Bears" being a group of guys who love Chicago, play out of pride and provide a real and tanigible return to the community that supports them. How? By being decent citizens for starters.

But now that I've returned from fantasy-land, I know it just doesn't work that way anymore. Still, it just feels dirty watching a group of hired contractors rather than a team. I don't feel like subsidizing a known felon who'd sell his mother for another 200G and doesn't give a damn about the city and people his team allegedly represents.

Maybe a lot of people feel that way.

I used to be so into the tactics (my love was football, but the same thing is happening there so it's a valid point for discussion), but the other aspects of what was happening with football began to taint how I felt about it. Man, there used to be only a few things that felt better than whopping a guy at full speed in full pads on the field. Who the hell cared where the ball was? Nowadays it takes an effort to get involved, which is sad. I really loved the sport.

The current financial structure of both football and baseball have not helped to make them any more appealing to fans.

9 posted on 08/24/2002 3:42:03 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: Sungirl
This is a good thread to put in that article you posted last night on adopting a player.
10 posted on 08/24/2002 4:38:19 AM PDT by cibco
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To: JohnHuang2
Baseball's greedy players: Williams vows to boycott major league games if players strike

Ted Williams won't have a problem boycotting games from now on. He has frozen his position on this issue.

11 posted on 08/24/2002 4:51:08 AM PDT by thesharkboy
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To: Andy Ross
The players and their union are entirely in the right here. They are on the side of the free market, and the owners are on the side of protectionism.

Oh really, then why do the players insist on a minimum salary of almost $400K. If players want a free market, then why not allow players to sign for $100K if they wish. If baseball players were worth what they are being paid, clubs would be making money, which very few are. Baseball is a mess and it is utterly stupid for baseball players to strike since they already make more than the revenues they produce. The game will be ruined and everybody will lose. Oh well, I like pro Football and college basketball much better.

12 posted on 08/24/2002 4:51:48 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
The minimum wage for baseball players isn't being debated here, so that's a strawman argument.

The teams are making money hand over fist. The figures that they release are simply made up. If they were losing money, then they'd be eager to open their books and prove it. If the baseball teams are losing money, then Enron is making money.

Even Congress realises that Selig basically arrived in the House and told them a pack of lies. Remember, Selig said that several teams would be unable to meet their payroll *this season*. Why hasn't that happened already?

If player earn more money than they generate, then answer me this: why do owners agree to pay them those wages? Who twisted Tom Hicks' arm to make him pay ARod 25 million big ones a year? Fact is, players like ARod ARE worth wages like that. The merchandising and publicity and crowd levels more than make it worth Hicks' while to pay Rodriguez that kind of money.

Andrew
13 posted on 08/24/2002 5:05:31 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: Andy Ross
There is nobody entirely in the right in the baseball situation. What we have is greedy millionaires fighting greedy billionaires as to who is going to control the game.

I will say both sides are entirely withing their rights to do whatever they do. However as fans we are entirely within our rights to reject the whole &^%$&*( bunch of them.

14 posted on 08/24/2002 5:20:45 AM PDT by billva
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To: Andy Ross
The players and their union are entirely in the right here

I suppose I could agree with you if we were talking about cops or firemen or hospital employees or some other basic group of hard working Americans.

But professional sports are GAMES. The cost of paying these jocks multi-million-dollar salaries has jacked up ticket prices to the point where a lot of people can't afford to attend a pro game but once a year if at all.

There is greed on both sides but the owners,like investors everywhere, are the ones taking the original risk.

Some 17yr old kid in Vermont just finished high school and the Red Sox gave him $300,000 just for signing on for a two year comittment.

If he does well, the rest of his classmates can look forward (under the present scenario) to shelling out a hundred bucks to see him pitch.

Most of the baseball, basketball and football players are level headed guys but there are too many jerks who think a mega salary entitles them to behaving like fools.

I've been a fan since the mid-40s when a guy like Dave "Boo" Ferris (just elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame) went 9-0 for the Red Sox at the start of a season for something like $10,000.

Guys like Pesky, Doerr, Malzone, Ted, Dom D were heroes for a kid to look up to. Today, we've got too many Clemens, Everetts and jerks advertising Viagra.

I recently heard one intellectually-challenged jock saying somehting to the effect: "it's not for us..it's for the kids coming up, just like the last strikes were for us at that time."

Yeh, right! You really needed that second Mercedes.

Ok, I'm a P.O.'d old fart and you can shoot all the economic holes you want in my argument..but..if they can't play ball I can't be bothered wasting any time on the prima donnas any more.

I'll pull a Rosey Grier and take up knitting.

15 posted on 08/24/2002 5:28:18 AM PDT by JimVT
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To: Andy Ross
What I would like to see is the cities and states that shelled out hundreds of millions of dollars to build or keep MLB teams sue MLB. These governments took out loans, improved infrastructure, expediated land acquisition and permitting all for what?...the promise of a major league baseball team. What was in it for them?...prestige, tourist revenue, urban renewal, all centered on a MLB team that played baseball at least through September.

I'd like to see the marketplace determine salaries. Just like the most prestigous corporations can pay the big bucks to get the most talented CEOs or researches, the most financially successful baseball teams can pay more. Heck, I'd even like to see the draft go. If it just keeps going on its own, even the richest teams will bankrupt themselves by giving ridiculous salaries to nearly over the hill superstars. And we'll keep preferring the David and Goliath scenerios where the less known and well paid players go out and get it done.

I would think that this time round the players are smarter than their union and realize that a strike will abort a lot of their careers.

16 posted on 08/24/2002 5:47:05 AM PDT by grania
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To: JohnHuang2
I would call the unions greedy before I called the players greedy. But then, making distinctions like this seems to be a dying art in the world of media-mind.
17 posted on 08/24/2002 5:48:41 AM PDT by ASDFGHJK
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To: ASDFGHJK
Before calling the owners greedy, you might look at the books with the clubs. Very few, if any, are making any money.

To get skilled help, the owners can't help being involved in a bidding war to sign up a potential player.

The owners invested in baseball because they love the game too! They would like at least to recover their investments.

18 posted on 08/24/2002 5:59:52 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: JohnHuang2
A small ball is thrown up to and sometimes over 100 miles per hour to a batting plate 60 feet away, where a batter with a thin bat has to move his hips, bring the bat around, find the ball, and generate enough bat speed to meet the bat with the ball – this is all done in less than a second.

True this is a very special skill, but I wonder if anyone has pointed out that the job market for it is (to say the least) limited. Last time I checked the want-ads I didn't see many ads saying "Wanted shortstop must be able to go deep in the hole and still turn a double play. Experence preferred, but will train the right candidate."

19 posted on 08/24/2002 6:05:31 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
Then maybe it's not a viable business anymore.
20 posted on 08/24/2002 6:07:33 AM PDT by Valin
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