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If Dubya wants to go to war against Iraq, he has the power to do so
Capitol Hill Blue ^ | 8-22-02 | LANCE GAY

Posted on 08/22/2002 6:44:48 AM PDT by KLT

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To: Mudboy Slim
Take out the Iraqi sheeple? Interesting commment there. Do you include babies in this definition? If not, do you have something else in mind?
81 posted on 08/23/2002 1:50:00 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: tabsternager
If there are any contacts, I have yet to see evidence that they amount to anything important.

There is good reason for this. Hussein is an evil man but the Bin Laden philosophy is foreign to his world view. Hussein is an avid secularist and his regime gives relative equality to women. He is not a radical Islamist type and never has been. In this respect, his regime represents an affront to the Taliban and Al Quada types. War is a serious business and shadowy and tenuous links (which may also exist to even a greater degree for such diverse countries as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Syria, etc.) do not provide sufficient justification.

The agenda for "taking out" Hussein has little to do with Al Qaeda and much more to do with balance of power politics, "finishing the job" started by Bush I, forcing weapons inspections, pursuing the phantom and utopian goal of creating a "democratic Iraq" as a counterweight to Saudi Arabia, and finally oil. None of these are sufficient to provide an adequate justification for the American people or the rest of the world. Links to Al Quada are merely a pretext to achieve other priorities. In fact, what we have here is a war in search of a pretext.

82 posted on 08/23/2002 2:02:50 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Do you people know how old it gets listening to your whining. I want my president to be tough and kick some butt. You people need to get a grip!
83 posted on 08/23/2002 2:06:59 PM PDT by Dawgs of War
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To: ProudAmerican2
We have a remedy for the weekly attacks -- an armed response.

Exactly.

84 posted on 08/23/2002 2:37:09 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: LisaFab
Exactly.

Let me be more precise. An armed response that falls short of an actual invasion, deals with the problem, and does not cost any American lives.

85 posted on 08/23/2002 2:47:07 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"Take out the Iraqi sheeple? Interesting commment there..."

Where the heck did you read that, Mr. Wright? I've respected your opinions on many an issue, and often we've argued on the same side, but this is the first time I remember you slickly and blatantly misquoting me or others in your passion to make a point. Not one of your finer moments...

Just look at my comment at #62...wherein I addressed PA2, "Yer not really looking for evidence that supports our liberating the Iraqi Sheeple, are you, PA2?" We're certainly NOT attacking the long-beleaguered Iraqi CommonMan any more than we were out to punish the Soviet subjects during the Cold War!! For you to argue otherwise--especially by misquoting me...well, I hope you wake up tomorrow with a better disposition.

Get well...MUD

86 posted on 08/23/2002 2:52:49 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"pursuing the phantom and utopian goal of creating a "democratic Iraq"

Yep...those damned Arabs don't deserve representative government. Let 'em keep killing themselves while we sit here and ignore 'em and hope they don't come after us again, right Mr. Chamberlin?!

SHEEEESH...MUD

87 posted on 08/23/2002 2:56:55 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: ProudAmerican2
"An armed response that falls short of an actual invasion, [and] deals with the problem..."

Is that you, Bill Clinton?! My sincere apologies if yer not, but wasn't Der SchleekMeister's typical "response" to lob a few missiles at empty terrorist camps while boldly spoutin' "Y'all better never do that again or I'll get really mad!!"

If Clinton had followed through on Iraqi inspections and pressure, Sodom would be a footnote in history today, but he didn't and it's time the grown-ups went in and cleaned up his mess!!

MUD

88 posted on 08/23/2002 3:03:35 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
Is that you, Bill Clinton?! My sincere apologies if yer not, but wasn't Der SchleekMeister's typical "response" to lob a few missiles at empty terrorist camps while boldly spoutin' "Y'all better never do that again or I'll get really mad!!"

Our standard and reasonable response to any attempt by an Iraqi ground or air launched missile attempting to target an American aircraft is a air-to-ground missile.

If Clinton had followed through on Iraqi inspections and pressure, Sodom would be a footnote in history today, but he didn't and it's time the grown-ups went in and cleaned up his mess!!

You would have supported a ground invasion prior to 9/11 because kicked out UN arms inspectors. Right...

89 posted on 08/23/2002 3:16:16 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ProudAmerican2
You do have a bit of Der SchleekMeister in ya, don'tcha?!

MUD

90 posted on 08/23/2002 3:35:12 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: ProudAmerican2; Landru; sultan88
"You would have supported a ground invasion prior to 9/11 because kicked out UN arms inspectors. Right..."

We had Sodom teetering after the Gulf War and the Clinton Administration dropped the ball...not only did they attempt to assassinate Bush, Sr. and Dubyuh, but they made a mockery of the Inspections Process and Slick Willie couldn't be bothered. Thanks DIRECTLY to this inattention to Foreign Policy and National Security by the Clinton Administration, 3000 innocent folks were massacred on 9/11/01 and your only response as a Newbie ProudAmerican is to beg for more of the same!! Go ahead...vote fer the DemonRATS in November, but its still gonna be a ROUT of the RATS!!

MUD

BTW...go ahead and try to convince me you ain't a Wellstone Lackey!! TROLL ALERT!!

91 posted on 08/23/2002 4:06:11 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Austin Willard Wright
You must have inside information, then. You certainly come across as if you think you have more information than the rest of us.

Time will tell all, and the facts will come out. For now, I know that Bush, Cheney, Powell, and Rumsfeld are not trigger-happy hawks. If they believe it's imperative that Hussein must go, then I figure they must have good reason for that belief. I also know that Hussein's obviously hiding something that he doesn't want the world to know about.

As for your reasoning as to why you think Hussein couldn't possibly be harboring al Qaeda terrorists, have you ever heard the line "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? If Hussein could help anyone disable America, I believe he'd do it.

92 posted on 08/23/2002 4:07:26 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Mudboy Slim
We had Sodom teetering after the Gulf War and the Clinton Administration dropped the ball...not only did they attempt to assassinate Bush, Sr. and Dubyuh, but they made a mockery of the Inspections Process and Slick Willie couldn't be bothered.

I see you did not answer my question. Would you have supported an invasion of Iraq because Saddam refused to comply with a series of UN resolutions?

Thanks DIRECTLY to this inattention to Foreign Policy and National Security by the Clinton Administration, 3000 innocent folks were massacred on 9/11/01 and your only response as a Newbie ProudAmerican is to beg for more of the same!! Go ahead...vote fer the DemonRATS in November, but its still gonna be a ROUT of the RATS!!

I have a number of criticisms of the Clinton administration, but they were not directly responsible for 9/11.

Go ahead...vote fer the DemonRATS in November, but its still gonna be a ROUT of the RATS!!

Are Dick Armey or Jack Kemp or Brent Scowkoft Democrats? Anyone that opposes an invasion of Iaq is not automatically a liberal.

BTW...go ahead and try to convince me you ain't a Wellstone Lackey!! TROLL ALERT!!

I voted for Pawlenty in my precinct caucus.

93 posted on 08/23/2002 4:41:07 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Mudboy Slim
You do have a bit of Der SchleekMeister in ya, don'tcha?!

Ah, the personal attacks begin. Anyone that opposes your position on this issue must be evil incarnate.

94 posted on 08/23/2002 4:42:05 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Austin Willard Wright
There's never been any question in my mind as to any hindrance to his going to war. As you say, those little considerations belong to another time.

The larger question, to me, is why Saddam? What excursion has he made outside his own borders since the last "war"? Does his "evil equivalency" even approach Robert Mugabe? Will his presence or absence have any effect on the behavior of those lovely neighbors of his, the Saudis?

GWB is a charmer but I'm damned If I can make any sense of his policies, foreign or domestic.

95 posted on 08/23/2002 4:53:51 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: cibco
How many people are of aware of the Iraqi terror attacks that occured in this country during the Gulf War?

I guess I fell asleep. What are you talking about?

96 posted on 08/23/2002 5:03:11 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
He can't give himself the power - that's delegated to Congress.

Please give me the date and time that we declared war on Serbia (and, better yet, why?).

97 posted on 08/23/2002 5:06:15 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: ProudAmerican2
Can anyone here seriously doubt that Saddam is guilty of aiding and harboring those who were involved in 9/11 and are plotting future attacks on the US?

Yep. Typical of the bluff and BS on these threads.

98 posted on 08/23/2002 5:22:52 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: ProudAmerican2
Can anyone here seriously doubt that Saddam is guilty of aiding and harboring those who were involved in 9/11 and are plotting future attacks on the US?

Yep. Typical of the bluff and BS on these threads.

99 posted on 08/23/2002 5:22:58 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: tabsternager
we surely can't dream of stopping them if we are handcuffed by people in this country who think like you who don't want to mess with any countries that are providing them safe harbor.

Just curious.

The Saudis are far and away the preeminent backers and perpetrators of terror and establishers of the Wahabbi (sp?) schools of diabolic theology. Is there some reason other than blind allegiance to GWB that you're all fired up to bomb Iraq while ignoring these facts?

100 posted on 08/23/2002 5:35:21 PM PDT by iconoclast
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