If Dubya wants to go to war against Iraq, he has the power to do so

Capitol Hill Blue ^ | 8-22-02 | LANCE GAY

[KLT]

Ping Y'All

[Austin Willard Wright]

You are certainly right. The Constitution was long ago thrown in the dustbin and the Imperial President can do anything he wants including (as recent cases indicate) throw American *citizens* in jail without trial and charges. Do you approve of this trend?

[KLT]

Ping Y'All

[KLT]

No I don't approve of that trend....but this is completely different...this is war!

[steve50]

Haven't you heard? It's an old worn out document that isn't applicable to the issues of our modern world. We have honest and moral men in power who will protect us from evil.

[billbears]

The U.S. Civil War was never declared because Union lawmakers after secession regarded the conflict as an "insurrection," or a rebellion.

Try almost three months after secession and lincoln had sent the troops to field. Congress passes declarations of war after the fact? That's Constitutional < /sarcasm>

Bush HAS to go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war. You can't drag up 12 year old partial approvals and say we're still at war

[Austin Willard Wright]

War? What kind of war are alluding to? The current war (which has been widened far beyond the legimate goal of smashing Al Quada) is undeclared. It is apparently endless and and has fuzzy, utopian and unwinnable goals (such as "ending" terrorism in all guises). It is a war which is being waged against against an undefined grab bag of of enemies (including everybody from rebels in the Phillipines to Saddaam Hussein). If that is the kind of war you support, your objections are hollow and meaningless.

[jwalsh07]

Bush HAS to go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war. You can't drag up 12 year old partial approvals and say we're still at war

Actually, he can but he won't. Sometimes you get what you wish for. If COngress declares war, the executive's powers will broaden dramatically. If only to witness the howling at the moon about that, I hope they declare war against Iraq also.

[KLT]

No Sir, I beg to differ with you....3,000 innocent lives were lost...I live in NY...been to the WTC...it changes opinions like your's which are now "hollow and meaningless."

[RISU]

Before we strike we need to know more about where the movement to kill Americans stems from, so we can strike decisively.

I would hate to have to keep going back to cut more of the diseased tissue.

Get it right, then obliterate the bastards into their next lifetimes on some distant primative planet.

[KLT]

Agreed RISU....Get it right the first time! I personally believe there were many terrorists from different countries who assisted in some way.

[Andy from Beaverton]

I don't remember the Democraps crying when Clinton went to war in Bosnia and Kosovo without congressional approval. Hypocrites!

[cousair]

Tom Delay made a masterful speech yesterday about going after Saddam. The GOP badly needs speeches like this from it's members so I hope they were listening!! The President's main job is to keep America safe, and during wartime, he must have the length and depth to do so. He is doing and will continue to do the job well.

[Wright is right!]

All this tumult and gnashing of teeth is about one thing and one thing ONLY: the media and the Democrats are scared shirtless about what would happen in the ELECTIONS if the AttackIraq should commence before November. Bush could go on the air today and announce that the first bombs would fall at Noon EST on November 15 and EVERYONE in the media and all the Democrats would shower the prez for his "wisdom and common sense."

None of what you hear and read in the media has anything at all to do with "selling the war to the Amurrican Pipple," and EVERYTHING to do with delaying MadmanSaddam's Demise until AFTER the elections. Any Republican you hear joining the chorus is merely currying favour with the media.

As far as 'Selling The War To The Amurrican Pipple" goes, that is code for divulging enough information publicly so that Saddam can be prepared and our military (and CINC) will be embarassed and humiliated. That's all they care about. They don't care about this country. All they care about is power. And the less they have thru erosion, the more desperate they become.

Michael

[stainlessbanner]

I heard a female Texas Representative (R)and Senator Bill Nelson (D) on FoxNews this am. Surprisingly BOTH said Bush must make the case for attacking IRAQ and get Congressional approval.

Nelson caveated his statement by adding Bush can attack if Huessien has nukes. I'm not sure if he was playing semantics or not.

Host asked both if getting congressional approval would "endanger" our troops or tip off Iraq about our attack. Nelson replied we must get Congressional approval; we will be stronger and in a better position to attack.

[stainlessbanner]

No I don't approve of that trend....but this is completely different...this is war!

KLT, I'll let you decide:

"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government." Justice Davis, ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 2 (1866)

[Travis McGee]

"One must also pause to think what it must have been like to be President Roosevelt back in 1940 and 1941. Sitting in the Oval Office, Roosevelt is reading Japanese [Magic] decrypts on a regular basis. They clearly prove- in the same fashion that wiretaps can prove- the aggression Japan is planning in Southeast Asia and the Pacific. They also show the linkage between Berlin and Tokyo, revealing that if Japan goes to war against America, Hitler will also declare war on America.

"Also reading the same material are the Secretary of State, Cordell Hull; the Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson; the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Stark (plus his chief of intelligence) and the Chief of Staff of the Army, General George C. Marshall (and his chief of intelligence). Of these men Roosevelt is the only elected official. And he is confronted by an isolationist Congress that steadfastly refuses to listen to any arguement the President might make that America must prepare for war.

"What frustrations Roosevelt must have felt!

"To know what the enemy is doing, but to be unable to tell his opponents in Congress and convince them them of the rightness of his position. Nor can Roosevelt discuss the situation with his supporters and friends. Magic is so secret, so precious, that absolute silence is the order of the day. This element of real life- knowing, but not being able to to do anything about it- is ignored in all the autobiographies, the biographies and the history books."

~~~Marching Orders, the Untold Story of World War Two, Bruce Lee, page 24.

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Among many other victories, "Magic" brought us Midway, the turning point of the war in the Pacific. Magic and Ultra are estimated to have shortened WW2 by 2 years, before the time that Germany and Japan could develop atomic weapons. Roosevelt could not squander this secret in convincing Congress of the Japanese danger in 1940. Is a similar secret about Iraq being kept by Bush today for the same reasons?

[Twodees]

Naahhhh, you just don't get it. W can do whatever he wants to. He had his fingers crossed when he took that oath, y'know. Anyway, the Cosntitution doesn't matter anymore. Between being called a living document and being treated as a dead letter, it has no force. Anyone who still reads that old thing needs to get a grip, turn on their TV and start gushing and swooning over the Daily Dose threads.

This is war. Let's roll. You're with us or agin' us. All that stuff. America is just UN district # whatever.