Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Pope Has Let Us Down
Wall Street Journal ^ | August 20, 2002 | ROD DREHER

Posted on 08/20/2002 9:29:00 PM PDT by gcruse

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last
To: american colleen
Thanks Colleen ... the tares particularly apt.
21 posted on 08/21/2002 8:50:25 AM PDT by Askel5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Arkinsaw
"Now there are a lot of folks upset that there is not a crackdown from Rome?"

Maybe Rome is waiting for the celestial spanking.
22 posted on 08/21/2002 8:53:29 AM PDT by Domestic Church
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: duckln
FWIW, would it suprise you to learn that kids have been abducted on a regular basis since, oh, the beginning of time? Good grief.
23 posted on 08/21/2002 8:54:20 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: american colleen
I think that great comfort,wisdom and understanding come to us when we pray to the Holy Spirit to give us the "mind of the Church",with whom He abides forever.Your inspirational comment seems to reflect the fruits of a petition like that.Thankyou.
24 posted on 08/21/2002 10:02:59 AM PDT by saradippity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: american colleen
Thanks for the post, its right on. That verse is beginning to haunt me as I struggle to accept it. I find it a hard saying, even at those times when I see how true it is.

patent

25 posted on 08/21/2002 10:12:14 AM PDT by patent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
While no one can imagine or judge the intentions of the Holy Father, his visible activity has left much to be desired. This article praises his writing, but much of it is vague and novel and in line with the neo-modernist theology that has wracked the Church for a century.

He can be thanked for not giving in on some key doctrines, like womens' ordination; but otherwise he seems to have given away the store. He apparently decided early on not to try to reform the Church in a traditional manner (he is a man of the revolutionary generation, after all) and now, with all due respect, he ends his pontificate with a Church on the verge of collapse.

26 posted on 08/21/2002 10:20:19 AM PDT by De Fide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
In serious matters, such as priestly sexual misconduct, abuses in the liturgy, corruption in seminary life, and the rejection of church teaching by Catholic universities and hospitals, the pope has explicitly recognized the crisis, given clear directions for its correction -- and done nothing when his orders were ignored or undercut by subordinates in this country. Over the last 30 years, faithful Catholics have found a variety of ways to make known to the Holy See their urgent concern, but most often to no avail.

Finally, a good Catholic dares to tell the truth about the Pope's inaction. Words are cheap file.

27 posted on 08/21/2002 10:30:15 AM PDT by Orual
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Domestic Church
"Now there are a lot of folks upset that there is not a crackdown from Rome?"

There's a lot of folks upset at Nixon to this day, and he's been dead for years. Nixon was a saint compared to Bill and Hillery, but a viceous partison efford gardered enough 'idiots' to bring him down, and IMO we are worst off because of it.

Some people will never get over it because their goal is to destroy the church.

28 posted on 08/21/2002 10:31:04 AM PDT by duckln
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
1.Can the Bishops Forbid the Police from Arresting Priests?
2. Can the Catholic Church declare any American law about sexuality null and void?
3. Can the Catholic Church arrest American criminals?
29 posted on 08/21/2002 10:46:36 AM PDT by PieroC
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ContemptofCourt
FWIW, would it suprise you to learn that kids have been abducted on a regular basis since, oh, the beginning of time? Good grief.

No, but I don't have the tread 'numbers' and doubt if you do. But it's all the more reason to consentrate on 'regular basis' abductions than rare, dubious, past limitation accusations by 'greedy people' and Actup.

30 posted on 08/21/2002 11:09:59 AM PDT by duckln
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: duckln
I agree there is a concerted effort to undermine the church both overtly and covertly. This has been going on since the beginning. The trusting laity never expects the clergy to be participating on both sides.

I don't like the title of this article, as it presumes knowledge we can't possibly have. And it points the finger at one person.

Given the clash in writings alone between the USCCB and the Vatican, how can one person be at fault, especially one very elderly holy person who is surround by bishops, many who lean more towards the USCCB? We don't even know if the Holy Father has been privey to all that has been hitting the press here. What if his physician has asked that some stuff be filtered(I'm not saying this is happening, but any number of variations could occur.)
31 posted on 08/21/2002 1:41:59 PM PDT by Domestic Church
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Domestic Church
I agree. The writer is from National Review which has gone down hill since W. F. Buckley stepped aside. For the WSJ to pick it up this hashed over trivia puts them the tabloid category.

I thought Paul Gigot was chief editor of the WSJ. I feel like giving him a 'talking to'. It's all a smoke screen so as not to draw attention to real crisis the country has. It's designed to draw people into a senseless ridiculous argument that has no end.

32 posted on 08/21/2002 2:44:27 PM PDT by duckln
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: american colleen
Many thanks, Colleen. Well said. God bless.
33 posted on 08/22/2002 7:07:01 PM PDT by Siobhan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Comment #34 Removed by Moderator

Comment #35 Removed by Moderator

Comment #36 Removed by Moderator

To: PieroC
Don't bother asking questions to gcruse. He just hates Catholics and religionists in general. He should be pleased though, as he said, the Pope will be in the fetal position soon. Ha ha! Parkinson's Disease! What a laugher!
37 posted on 08/24/2002 9:29:51 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

Comment #38 Removed by Moderator

Comment #39 Removed by Moderator

To: leilani
the guy has huevos

What is 'huevos? Are they something in his head?

My point is that the Church, IMO, is squeeky clean compared to other demographics. Dreher should look at the company he keeps and stack them up to the Popes.

40 posted on 08/24/2002 9:20:17 PM PDT by duckln
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson